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Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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Thanks to these con artists and careless big investors like SoftBank, once the recession comes, blockchain, AI, etc... will go into another long winter

I don't think it's fair to put blockchain and AI on the same pile.

Dangerously ambiguous comment. Or a very subtle attempt at humor.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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U.S. GDP per capita in 1950 was $9573, according to a web search. In 1953 or so my parents rented their first house as newlyweds. For $10 per month. Minimum wage was 75 cents/hour. My parents definitely had a used car... So 14 hours labor at minimum wage, paid the rent...compare that to today.

Googling found a wide range of figures for 1953 US GDP. One said $2449[0], one said $9573[1] and one said $16499[2] in chained 2012 dollars. Computing the figures from the Census's 20th century data[3] supports the $2449 as the current-dollar figure. [0] https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/usa?year=1953 [1] https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Economy/GDP-... [2] https://www.multpl.com/us-real-gdp-per-capita/ta…

[0] and [3] are current-dollar (i.e. not inflation adjusted). Easy to calculate, but rather difficult to evaluate (in terms of purchasing power) with a figure 60 years later.

[2] is inflation adjusted. Methodologies for that can vary quite a bit (other inflation adjustment sites give a value >$20K) but the result is a more meaningful comparison.

I have no idea what [1] is supposed to be, and they don't seem to be giving any sources or listing any methodology.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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I can remember OneCoin back in the day. And I also remember that when visiting their website, my first though was "this must be a gigantic scam!" It was kinda obvious. Unbelievable that people fell for this. But like with all pyramid schemes or similar scams, they target a very specific sort of people.

What kind of people? Just gullible or something more specific?

stupid + immoral. You need both to get scammed.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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>Another tip he gives us is to find out where she has been on her yacht. We should try to get the tracker off it, he says, and he doesn't appear to be joking. I explain that this is probably beyond my abilities (apart from being illegal) Uh, why would this be illegal? Is flightaware illegal? Or the yacht tracking sites?

The author of the article is in way over their head, and doesn't understand the jargon that he his hearing.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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>Even the most obscure entry or innocuous comment on a forum is usually saved somewhere, and with enough digging can be found. You've heard of Google, but there are several other search engines that specialise in this.

That's a very interesting throwaway line; anyone know what those products are?

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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The parent scam company, OneLife, still has a webpage up: https://www.onelife.eu/en however its official denial of OneCoin wrong-doing is a 503.

Fortunately, that denial, a glorious work on its own, can be seen in cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1953 IBM launched one of the first commercial computers, which your parents definitely didn't have in their home on account of it costing $15k per month to rent access to. Rent has gone up relative to everything else because the housing supply hasn't grown fast enough, but the average person today has gadgets and treatments which were unfeasible in 1953

Generally an inflation index tracks the basic necessities of life: housing, gas, electricity, food, wood, industrial/building materials etc. The percentage of income spent on those basic life requirements has been on an upward trend for many many decades. Real wages don't rise faster than inflation. The next generation is on track to earn half as much purchasing power than us. Expect multi generational homes to make…

Real wage growth is by definition the portion of wage growth that outstrips inflation, and there has been measurable wage growth rather than shrinkage since 1950, even though it's a lot flatter at the bottom half of the distribution than the top. We've seen a massive growth in and overseas shift of the workforce over that time too. I don't think there's anything in the data to support the claim 'the next generation is on track to earn half as much purchasing power than us'.

And moving back to the original point, the reason why homes capture a larger share of incomes than before is down to the supply of homes outstripping demand, not the loss of the gold standard. If the supply of dollars were fixed as deflationistas advocate, you wouldn't lose the market pressure on housing, just the wage increases and incentives for people already holding large pieces of the pie to invest in something riskier than housing...

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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>Another tip he gives us is to find out where she has been on her yacht. We should try to get the tracker off it, he says, and he doesn't appear to be joking. I explain that this is probably beyond my abilities (apart from being illegal) Uh, why would this be illegal? Is flightaware illegal? Or the yacht tracking sites?

Yacht nav systems can log where you have been, but a small minority of ships will permanently log their location somewhere publicly accessible. To get the data you'd need to get onto the yacht to access the nav system.

Even small private vessels have AIS these days, especially if nicely appointed. Of course, the transponder can be turned off if you want to avoid any ... Imperial entanglements.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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It seems like they tried, but no blockchain expert would go near it because it was so clearly a Ponzi-type scheme. Just look at the website: http://web.archive.org/web/20150302021347/http://www.onecoin...

They’re all Ponzi schemes (haha) what about this one in particular made them find God?

How is Bitcoin a ponzi scheme? As far as I know it's a distributed database, nothing even remotely related to a ponzi scheme.
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