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An update on YC China

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Re: An update on YC China

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1. PRC loses face. 2. ??? (Does not include war.) 3. New Chinese government takes control. I don't think anyone knows how to do what you want. Just because a problem is important doesn't mean it has a solution.

Step 2: globally orchestrated sanctions on a fascist dictatorship Step 2b: hopefully we avoid WWIII

Yeah, about step 2b: Note that part of the reasoning behind the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was the US's sanctions on Japan for their actions in China.

Re: An update on YC China

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1. PRC loses face. 2. ??? (Does not include war.) 3. New Chinese government takes control. I don't think anyone knows how to do what you want. Just because a problem is important doesn't mean it has a solution.

Step 2: globally orchestrated sanctions on a fascist dictatorship Step 2b: hopefully we avoid WWIII

That might work for a smaller country like South Africa, but China too big for that. China could probably make everything it needs itself, or learn in a decade or two. So it sounds to me like a new iron curtain, leaving both sides poorer and the people caught in the middle suffering from the separation. (And good luck fighting global warming.)

But though there's a lot of pressure to choose your side, I doubt every country will do so. If forced they might choose China?

Re: An update on YC China

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I imagined this was going to happen. Lately PG has been more vocal on twitter regarding Human Rights issues in China. I understand this is a very difficult decision. I'm not sure if its right or wrong. From the perspective of Human Rights its probably right, but from the perspective of investment its difficult considering China's growth prospects. I'm torn on the China issue and I personally hope our two countries ca…

> China's growth prospects

150% debt : gdp... gonna hinder the growth in medium term

Re: An update on YC China

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I'm a Chinese living in mainland China. My old account was suspended because I told the truth about China Communist Party(CCP) below HK event thread (Qi and his team censored it?). I believe you Americans see the essence of CCP from the NBA/South Park/HK event. CCP controls everything in China and they are evil. Doing business in China is helping the dying CCP. So I'm glad to see that YC pull back 'YC China'. We old hundred names welcome you back to China when CCP is dead. Thanks.

Re: An update on YC China

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It's the technical name for China. Personally I don't use it; China is not a "people's republic".

It look's like every other people's republic. I don't see why China is different.

Exactly. I think the term, "people's republic" is connotative of the worst kind of brutal socialist/communist autocracy.

Re: An update on YC China

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post #86

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Totalitarian actions of the regime primarily against Muslim minorities (Uighurs), including concentration camps with >1M people.

Yeah, no, I've read a newspaper in the last year. What exactly does that have to do with YC? They're withdrawing from China.

They made a mistake of going into China. The abhorrent behavior of the Chinese government was highlighted in recent events, so YC decided to pull the plug. Perhaps change in leadership also played a role in this. There is definitely an up-tick in public outrange in the West vis-a-vis China.

Re: An update on YC China

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post #98

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The ~1 million Uighurs the Chinese government has in concentration camps. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/ch...

Supposedly ethnic Han Chinese men are also being assigned by the government to sleep with the wives of detained Uyghur men. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/cosleeping-103120191...

RFA is a US propaganda operation. Leave it up to them to make "sleeping with the wives of detained Uyghur men" sound like the job description of those government agents, rather than a consequence of poor people not having free guest beds on hand, so they have to share beds with someone, potentially with the whole household. Also clever use of "sleep with" to imply sex. (I don't doubt that some will abuse their power, but I'd expect Uyghur families to think far enough ahead to have another male relative in the same room, if not the same bed.)

EDIT: I posted this as a bit of an experiment. In https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21601613 I link to a TV program criticising the Chinese government's treatment of Uyghurs. Here I criticize blatant propaganda published by an organization funded by the US government for precisely that purpose. Almost an hour later, this comment is at -4 while the other is at +6. Agreement-based voting at it's finest, but I'm not going to let propaganda slide just because it pushes a viewpoint I agree with.

Re: An update on YC China

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I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

The US can't take military action in Hong Kong, because its handover to China was completely legal. You can thank the British for their short-sightnedness on this one, but nothing the rest of the world can do, at least overtly. I see this fact repeatedly forgotten or overlooked in the brewhaha over HK.

Re: An update on YC China

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post #147

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user may be Chinese national, but name calling ("brainwashed") probably isn't the best way to encourage the sorts of open dialogue that will be necessary to change their views

Ignoring or tolerating a violent ethno-nationalist ideology isn't going to make things better either.

agreed, unreservedly.

still, namecalling these users doesn't solve anything. and i'm sure it's against the community principles.

Re: An update on YC China

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post #78

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It’s understandable it’s a touchy subject. Why piss off China if you don’t have to? Only something to lose and nothing to gain. Also this story of a Chinese Stanford professor/investor’s “suicide” last year is quite the story. There’s a potential safety issue here too. https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2018/12/13/a-death...

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