An update on YC China • Hacker News Board

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by tossAfterUsing » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:10 AM UTC

nradov wrote: post #98

pcbro141 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ~1 million Uighurs the Chinese government has in concentration camps. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/ch...

Supposedly ethnic Han Chinese men are also being assigned by the government to sleep with the wives of detained Uyghur men. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/cosleeping-103120191...

hmm... i guess only the one's they've not yet sterilized?

https://www.pop.org/the-plight-of-the-uyghur-people-2/

edit: wow... 2001

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by learc83 » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:13 AM UTC

zlei wrote: post #129

harimau777 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US certainly has its problems, but I don't think it's fair to draw a moral equivalence with what's happening in China.

Chinese citizen here. I guess you're implying that certain bad things are happening in China. Do you really live in China and see those things happen, or just hear about them from the media? And is it possible that some of the media in US are inhonest? Just as there're inhonest media in China. I'm not fighting you on this topic; just don't understand why there's so much hatred towards our country.

There is plenty of non US media reporting on the camps in Xinjiang.

Why don't you travel to Xinjiang and do some investigating. If the camps there are really fabricated by the US media, surely the government won't mind you traveling around and filming the suspected sites?

>just don't understand why there's so much hatred towards our country.

I don't hate you or the other people of your country. I'd love to visit someday and relearn some of the Mandarin I learned in college. However, I do hate what your government is doing to the people of Xinjiang. Why wouldn't I be upset about this?

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by seppin » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:14 AM UTC

raywu wrote: post #87

jessewmc wrote: post #11

Strange optics not to mention the elephant in the room. I could see them hitting some roadblocks and wanting to try again to get into China, but that would be a reasonable thing to come out and say. It also would be reasonable to come out and say they've changed their minds due to political climate or some other risks. Instead its... the new guy is busy?

Why do you think it's political climate that changed YC's mind? With or without political climate being an issue, doing business in China is different and relies on of relationship building that takes a long time to nurture. It might just be hard!

> doing business in China is different and relies on of relationship building that takes a long time to nurture

That's a strange way of saying they require a Chinese national to be part owner, and if it grows enough the party will seize it all.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by tossAfterUsing » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:15 AM UTC

skybrian wrote: post #124

colechristensen wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is exactly the problem. Saving face. Causing PRC to lose face is the only way to stop them outside a war which nobody wants. If American companies started cutting ties and explicitly calling out their behavior it would make a real difference.

1. PRC loses face. 2. ??? (Does not include war.) 3. New Chinese government takes control. I don't think anyone knows how to do what you want. Just because a problem is important doesn't mean it has a solution.

Step 2: globally orchestrated sanctions on a fascist dictatorship

Step 2b: hopefully we avoid WWIII

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by koboll » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:15 AM UTC

dangxiaopin wrote: post #101

colechristensen wrote: post #80

I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

In my opinion, one party California is a fascist state. Hey, SF just elected a Chavist as a DA: that person actually went and helped Hugo Chavez administration. By that yardstick, doing business in California is also immortal.

There's no point responding with anything other than derision to this kind of deliberately obtuse and bad faith deflection.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by anonygler » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:15 AM UTC

Even YC got screwed by China. This is an intentional pattern: Lure US money and then use backroom dealings to coordinate an outright theft.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by csomar » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:16 AM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #80

I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

I think YC has to be reserved because they are linked to all of these companies they have invested in. A bad statement could potentially harm some of their portfolio companies.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by AnthonyWnC » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:16 AM UTC

pcbro141 wrote: post #62

paulddraper wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the elephant in the room? U.S. tariffs? Honk Kong unrest? IP violations?

The ~1 million Uighurs the Chinese government has in concentration camps. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/ch...

NYT is not exactly a reliable source of news in China, actually none of US MSM are.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by tossAfterUsing » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:18 AM UTC

logicreasoning wrote: post #112

dangxiaopin wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, one party California is a fascist state. Hey, SF just elected a Chavist as a DA: that person actually went and helped Hugo Chavez administration. By that yardstick, doing business in California is also immortal.

I don’t expect anything less from a brainwashed Chinese national (who is most likely living in California and still pledges alliegiance to the dictator xi bao zi) who thinks his whataboutism will work on hacker news

user may be Chinese national, but name calling ("brainwashed") probably isn't the best way to encourage the sorts of open dialogue that will be necessary to change their views

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by ausjke » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:19 AM UTC

So YC's own China-version startup effort flopped basically.

It's at an awkward time per se, nobody wants to get serious business started now at current climate, which could be the beginning of a sea change policy from what has been here for the last 3 decades between US and China.

Techstars etc have lots of offices in US and Europe, how about YC expanding to NY, Boston, Austin first? That will help US economy and foster some local startup ecosystem as well.