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Re: ‘Sexual’ use of eggplant and peach emojis banned on Facebook, Instagram

#151

Does this apply to private chats? Because I'll send these in a joking way to my girlfriend and some of my other friends. I know that Facebook messenger parses chats and won't allow porn site links and torrent magnet links to go through.

Woah wait, they're blocking magnet links too?? That's horrible. It's already disgusting that they block porn links. Why are they censoring private speech between friends?

Removing porn links by default probably removes a considerable amount of spam and to keep creeps from sending your 12-year-old or your grandma graphic porn links.

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#152
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Yeah let's pretend guns don't exist. Knives exist too, those are weapons, better ban them. You could throw apples at someone for long enough and probably hurt them a good bit, better ban them too. The sterilized world you want to live in is not necessarily the one that everyone else wants to live in.

I don’t know, the rest of the developed world doesn’t want to live with gun violence, and they... don’t. Your argument is absurd, though, because most knives and apples aren’t designed to kill people, and serve other purposes. You can prevent access to one thing (like pipe bombs) without preventing access to other things (like knives). As always, intent and purpose matter, and it’s not all-or-nothing.

>I don’t know, the rest of the developed world doesn’t want to live with gun violence, and they... don’t. Your argument is absurd, though, because most knives and apples aren’t designed to kill people,

Yet the UK has some crazy knife laws (and self-defense laws for that matter, I'd hate to have to defend myself in the UK) because when people couldn't get access to firearms easily knife crimes went up.

I mean, 2 years ago they had someone drive into a crowd of people and then hop out and start stabbing/slashing

>The attackers were armed with 12-inch (30 cm) kitchen knives with ceramic blades, which they tied to their wrists with leather straps. They also prepared fake explosive belts by wrapping water bottles in grey tape

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/2017_London_Bridge_attack

In 2014 in China 171 people were stabbed/slashed in a single attack at a railway station, 31 people died. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/2014_Kunming_attack

Since 1949 only 3 mass shootings have had higherdeath counts in the United States than the Kunming incident - the Las Vegas shooting in 2017 at 58 dead, Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016 at 49 dead and the Virginia Tech shooting in 2007 at 32 people.

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#153

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Weapons can and are misused. They're tools, not intent.

That’s a logical fallacy. Killing some with a skirt is misuse. Killing some with a device that was purposely made to kill someone isn’t misuse. It might also be self-defence, man slaughter or any or a multitude of other things but you’re not using the gun for something it wasn’t designed to do.

>Killing some with a device that was purposely made to kill someone isn’t misuse.

As a gun owning American with MANY firearms, never once have I bought one thinking "gee golly, I can't wait to kills me somes peoples with this here gun" I go "hey this would be great for hunting, hey this one would be great for taking to the range, hey this is like the one my late father first took me shooting with, hey this one is just neat mechanically because the entire cylinder of this nagant revolver slides forward and it has this comically long hammer".

I have never shot anyone, I have never wanted to shoot anyone, I've never drawn a weapon in aggression.

If you think a gun is a murder machine, yes you should never own one. I, however, see them as a functional tool for providing food for my table and as a recreational device. You go take your fancy vacations and I'll drive 10 miles down the road to the range to shoot targets with series of circles.

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#154

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That’s a logical fallacy. Killing some with a skirt is misuse. Killing some with a device that was purposely made to kill someone isn’t misuse. It might also be self-defence, man slaughter or any or a multitude of other things but you’re not using the gun for something it wasn’t designed to do.

>Killing some with a device that was purposely made to kill someone isn’t misuse. As a gun owning American with MANY firearms, never once have I bought one thinking "gee golly, I can't wait to kills me somes peoples with this here gun" I go "hey this would be great for hunting, hey this one would be great for taking to the range, hey this is like the one my late father first took me shooting with, hey this one is jus…

I’m not suggesting every gun owning American goes out looking for people to kill. All I’m saying is guns were designed to kill. You agree with this yourself since you raised the point about hunting.

I mean when was the last time you killed a deer with a skirt?

Honestly, I get you love your guns, but at least be rational about the arguments you’re making. A gun and a skirt are not in any way even remotely equatable yet gun owners frequently make dumbass comments like that rather than just saying “yeah, I know they’re dangerous weapons designed to kill but I try and exercise some common sense and I enjoy firing them”. At least that would be an honest opinion.

Re: ‘Sexual’ use of eggplant and peach emojis banned on Facebook, Instagram

#155

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>Killing some with a device that was purposely made to kill someone isn’t misuse. As a gun owning American with MANY firearms, never once have I bought one thinking "gee golly, I can't wait to kills me somes peoples with this here gun" I go "hey this would be great for hunting, hey this one would be great for taking to the range, hey this is like the one my late father first took me shooting with, hey this one is jus…

I’m not suggesting every gun owning American goes out looking for people to kill. All I’m saying is guns were designed to kill. You agree with this yourself since you raised the point about hunting. I mean when was the last time you killed a deer with a skirt? Honestly, I get you love your guns, but at least be rational about the arguments you’re making. A gun and a skirt are not in any way even remotely equatable ye…

>Honestly, I get you love your guns,

I love mechanical devices that have multiple functions.

> but at least be rational about the arguments you’re making.

I am. Guns do not kill people, unhinged people kill people.

First let's consider that there are hundreds of millions of firearms in the United States, some estimates in fact put the number at being higher than the number of people. How do you propose to get 100% of those surrendered? More importantly, how do you propose to compensate people for turning them in? Firearms in functional condition can range from 100$ to tens of thousands of dollars for legally held fully automatic and antique firearms. I'd say the average resale value per firearm in my collection, and I only make 36k a year, is in the 400$ range.

Now let's look at some numbers.

"In 2017, gun deaths reached their highest level since 1968 with 39,773 deaths by firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides." [1] the missing 1,377 were likely accidents and law enforcement-involved shootings.

IN 2017, automobile accidents killed 37,133 persons. [2] This figure almost certainly does not include suicide via exhaust either, making cars almost as dangerous IF NOT more responsible for death than firearms. If you factor in property damage/losses...

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. [3] yet cigarettes are sold in every state legally to persons as young as 18. If you buy your cigarettes from a legal dealer, you don't need to pass a background check like you do if you buy from a business selling firearms as they have to have an FFL which requires a background check, you don't need to take a safety course for cigarettes yet many states require some sort of NRA or other safety course to obtain a license to carry, if you're a felon you can buy cigarettes but you can not legally buy a firearm from an FFL,

Or should we look into prescribed opiates?

How about heart disease? It kills 647k in the US annually [4], do we outlaw fast food, animal products, vegetable oil, refined sugar? I mean, we have medical evidence that repeatedly shows that animal proteins/omega 6 fat imbalances/excessive sugar/sugar in absence of fiber/etc cause all sorts of things like inflammatory responses, arterial calcification, arterial blockage etc.

What about diabetes at more than 80k deaths in the United States annually [4]? Do we make sugary snacks and soda illegal given the former is often detrimental to our health, overly dense calorically and often largely (if not wholly lacking in meaningful micronutrients)? And soda, diet sodas are just somewhat acidic empty calories and non-diet sodas are full of sugar and sodium which can help promote diabetes. I mean, sure people can enjoy them in moderation with minimal health impact just like the vast majority of firearm owners don't commit acts of violence but they're clearly not good for us...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta... with the cited source in the wiki entry being a CNN article where they replicated another source's claims.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

[3] https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast...

[4] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

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#156

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As an American citizen, this is one of the most laughable statements I've heard all day.

Being an American is not really a rebuttal of the above comment. Neither of you speak for all Americans. America being a world power is factual but not as directly pertinent as other issues. What is pertinent is that America has significantly more diversity than other developed nations. More importantly, there is significant cultural tension between many different groups. Finally, guns have legitimate uses, and are b…

> The US is the world power and it’s citizens have more rights than any other

From the GP, that is demonstrably false. Look at German citizenry. They have equal or more rights than American citizens do.

> the current flag ship of human progress.

Again, this is complete bullshit. Many other nations have better healthcare, stronger privacy protections, better educational systems, more efficient transit systems, higher air quality, lower rates of incarceration. I could go on and on. America is not "the current flagship of human progress"

> So you cannot say that what ‘works’ for some fly by night westernized counties will work for the current flag ship of human progress.

What is a 'fly-by-night westernized country'? The fuck is that even supposed to mean? It's an ignorant, nationalistic dig at other "Western coutnries" based on nothing at all.

> There is no other nation in the world which compares to the US

False. Nordic countries have better healthcare, a cleaner environment, better education, better transit, more walkable cities. The EU as a whole has stronger privacy protections than the US. There are MANY ways to compare countries to the US, and, more often than not, when compared to other "western coutnries", the US comes out behind.

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#157

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I’m not suggesting every gun owning American goes out looking for people to kill. All I’m saying is guns were designed to kill. You agree with this yourself since you raised the point about hunting. I mean when was the last time you killed a deer with a skirt? Honestly, I get you love your guns, but at least be rational about the arguments you’re making. A gun and a skirt are not in any way even remotely equatable ye…

>Honestly, I get you love your guns, I love mechanical devices that have multiple functions. > but at least be rational about the arguments you’re making. I am. Guns do not kill people, unhinged people kill people. First let's consider that there are hundreds of millions of firearms in the United States, some estimates in fact put the number at being higher than the number of people. How do you propose to get 100% of…

Just because there are other also causes of death it doesn’t mean we should just give up trying to prevent obviously avoidable causes. By your logic we might as well give up trying to cure cancer because more people die in road accidents. It’s not an either/or scenario where we have to give up on one thing because of a completely unrelated other thing.

But yes, let’s look at the stats. America is the only developed country which has looked at said stats and not though “gee, wouldn’t it be smart to have gun control.” Australia, the UK, Northern Europe; they all went through the same statistics as yourself and realised gun control was needed.

Anyway, it’s a highly divisive topic (at least in America anyway. In Europe and Australia it’s pretty one sided) and I think we’ve reached a natural impasse so I begrudgingly concede that we might just need to agree to disagree.

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#158

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Being an American is not really a rebuttal of the above comment. Neither of you speak for all Americans. America being a world power is factual but not as directly pertinent as other issues. What is pertinent is that America has significantly more diversity than other developed nations. More importantly, there is significant cultural tension between many different groups. Finally, guns have legitimate uses, and are b…

> The US is the world power and it’s citizens have more rights than any other From the GP, that is demonstrably false. Look at German citizenry. They have equal or more rights than American citizens do. > the current flag ship of human progress. Again, this is complete bullshit. Many other nations have better healthcare, stronger privacy protections, better educational systems, more efficient transit systems, higher…

I think you may have responded to the wrong post; the things you "quoted" from me, I did not say. However, here's my response to your arguments.

> Look at German citizenry. They have equal or more rights than American[s].

Source? I'd say Americans are more free. I don't consider "positive rights" to increase liberty; you can't make one more free by requiring another to do something for him to fulfill his freedom. Doctors, houses, etc. are not rights.

> better healthcare

No, there is _more_ healthcare. Quality, access, and cost are the iron triangle of medicine; pick two. We picked quality and price, and those were good choices. Germany picked universality and cost; they traded some of that cost to the tax payers, and got some quality, but most cutting-edge medical research is in America.

> better educational systems

Before college, probably yes. I agree we should give fewer hand-outs and allocate more to education.

> fly-by-night

I didn't use those words; please don't claim I did. It weakens your argument.

> Nordic countries have better healthcare

Better is subjective; see iron triangle.

> a cleaner environment

Norway, for instance, makes a huge amount of money off Statoil (now Equinor). They have small population sizes relative to natural resources. This means they export things that pollute and dump that pollution elsewhere. Though Equinor is trying to sequester carbon, it's nowhere near total output and doesn't account for the by-products of O&G production. It is also only from part of one operation, and only removing CO2 from natural gas. Equinor also owned stakes in oil sands, which are absolutely horrible for the environment.

Why do I bring this up? To point out that many nordic nations sell resources to others, mine resources in other nations, etc. They rely on negative externalities to pay for their extravagant welfare states. According to the wikipedia article, "Economy of Norway": "Norway's modern manufacturing and welfare system rely on a financial reserve produced by exploitation of natural resources, particularly North Sea oil." (there are four cited sources).

> better transit

Transit is not a right. America is significantly larger.

> more walkable cities

That's a right? Also, their cities are significantly smaller.

> stronger privacy protections

The EU takes the fundamentally-paternalistic attitude that consumers aren't smart enough to protect their own data, and that government must fill that role for them. I disagree; it's condescending and wrong.

> more often than not, when compared to other "western coutnries", the US comes out behind.

How do you compare that? As you said, many different ways. I'm getting the sense the things you value in your comparison constitute zero percent of mine.

Many of America's issues come from being a large and very diverse nation. Nordic nations have small, homogeneous populations with little unrest. Very easy to govern a nation, keep crime rates low, etc. that way. Nothing comes without a cost. Some nations hide costs better than others. Some kick them down the road.

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#159

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You might not think that a skirt is a lethal weapon, but there's an entire family of martial arts that trains to use it as such.

You could kill someone by drowning them in water but that doesn’t mean water should be illegal either. The distinction being that water and skirts are not weapons. They serve a very practical purpose. Guns serve no purpose other than to shoot things. How many times do you hear about school “skirtings” where a disgruntled teenager kills a dozen peers with his skirt? I’m honestly flabbergasted that intelligent people w…

Ah, but they are weapons by any reasonable definition if used to harm another person. No one is saying that we need to ban water or skirts, only have some common sense regulations on them. There's no reason that someone should have a large quantity of water over say a gallon at a time.

And your claim about something whose purpose is to kill people, it's ridiculous to allow people to sell a murder skirt. The only purpose of knives is to kill people, and we allow those to be as available as the average skirt as well.

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#160
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Indeed. But nobody is advocating a ban of water pistols, potato guns or other toys. Just the stuff that are actually lethal weapons.

Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.

The problem is that some people are going to make the argument that it's about what the tool was designed to do. At which point they're on the idiotic knife ban bandwagon.
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