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Post by cam_l »

Braggadocious wrote: post #135
coldtea wrote: post #109

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It's puritanism (they should allow both), but it's not sexism. Just because one of the sexes is treated differently in some way doesn't make something necessarily sexism. It's just that female nipples are considered sensual while men nipples aren't. That's because female nipples are indeed sensual (and play a special role in reproduction and human sexual selection) whereas male nipples not so much. (Sure, some men li…

It's not puritanism. They're trying to get younger and younger audiences hooked on facebook and instagram without their parents worrying too much about unknown forces corrupting their kids.

>parents worrying too much about unknown forces corrupting their kids.

That is a pretty good definition of puritanism..

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Post by Accujack »

pushpop wrote: post #136
Accujack wrote: post #96

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Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.

Anything is a weapon if you use it like one. However some things are actually designed to be weapons. It’s insane that people make the kind of argument you make because clearly there is a different between something that isn’t designed to be a weapon and misused; and something that is designed to kill people. The entire rest of the world has acknowledged that fact yet you’re still trying to conflate the two.

Weapons can and are misused. They're tools, not intent.

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Post by perl4ever »

perl4ever wrote: post #134
journalctl wrote: post #78

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I don’t know, the rest of the developed world doesn’t want to live with gun violence, and they... don’t. Your argument is absurd, though, because most knives and apples aren’t designed to kill people, and serve other purposes. You can prevent access to one thing (like pipe bombs) without preventing access to other things (like knives). As always, intent and purpose matter, and it’s not all-or-nothing.

"the rest of the developed world" This phrase is commonly used as though it were most of the global population or economy or something.

That was a glib comment based on my gut reaction, but in fact, I later looked up figures and the US plus all the countries outside the OECD or "high income" countries (which appear to be pretty similar) are >60% of global GDP and about 87% of world population. So maybe it is a little presumptuous to always speak as though the remainder is the only part that really matters?

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Post by apta »

notacoward wrote: post #113
mieseratte wrote: post #97

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> It's even worse when you consider how it's based in binary gender thinking. More like even better. Glad to see a website exercising critical thinking. > Are a transgender person's nipples allowed, or not? Is it sexually suggestive? Then no. > A gender-neutral standard would be better. Well that's a policy ignorant of reality.

> Glad to see a website exercising critical thinking. So "critical thinking" to you means rejecting the notion of gender being anything but binary and static, despite scientific evidence to the contrary? Interesting definition you've got there. > Is it sexually suggestive? Nope, no subjective opinions or controversial judgment calls there. > that's a policy ignorant of reality. It's a policy that doesn't allow neande…

> despite scientific evidence to the contrary?

Science says that there are two main genders: XX (female) and XY (male), with other disorders that are quite rare (e.g. XXY, XYY, etc.). Anything else are mental disorders and should be treated as such, not cave in to the latest fad of the day.

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Post by pushpop »

Accujack wrote: post #142
pushpop wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything is a weapon if you use it like one. However some things are actually designed to be weapons. It’s insane that people make the kind of argument you make because clearly there is a different between something that isn’t designed to be a weapon and misused; and something that is designed to kill people. The entire rest of the world has acknowledged that fact yet you’re still trying to conflate the two.

Weapons can and are misused. They're tools, not intent.

That’s a logical fallacy. Killing some with a skirt is misuse. Killing some with a device that was purposely made to kill someone isn’t misuse. It might also be self-defence, man slaughter or any or a multitude of other things but you’re not using the gun for something it wasn’t designed to do.

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Post by belorn »

dmix wrote: post #64
pushpop wrote: post #37

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You’re getting downvoted yet you’re making a very clear point of inequality. Maybe this is where the American (Facebook) and European (myself) cultures differ but here it’s perfectly acceptable for women to be topless in much the same way as how it’s perfectly acceptable for a man to be topless.

That's not Europe vs America, that's some parts of Europe vs the rest of the world. Public nudity is very much the exception globally not the rule. But it's interesting what selective stuff people give the US credit.

Its difficult to track the source but American culture wave had a direct impact and can be fairly measured.

To take a direct example, Sweden we used to censor violence, even animated violence, while nudity was perfectly acceptable. There were even a sex-education program on national TV broadcast during primer hours. Then the broadcast monopoly was eroded and a very noticeable Americanization occurred culturally. Censoring violence became unpopular and censoring nudity became more common.

Old Swedish movies often included full frontal nudity, either as just a representation of normal life activity like swimming in the ocean, bathing in a sauna, or as a bit of a joke between characters. There were even discussing of banning a few of those movies because they included nude children. A common reaction to old Swedish movies is that "we had a different cultural view about nudity", but what is also noticeable is the lack of any American culture in the same movies.

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Post by coldtea »

Braggadocious wrote: post #135
coldtea wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's puritanism (they should allow both), but it's not sexism. Just because one of the sexes is treated differently in some way doesn't make something necessarily sexism. It's just that female nipples are considered sensual while men nipples aren't. That's because female nipples are indeed sensual (and play a special role in reproduction and human sexual selection) whereas male nipples not so much. (Sure, some men li…

It's not puritanism. They're trying to get younger and younger audiences hooked on facebook and instagram without their parents worrying too much about unknown forces corrupting their kids.

Well, it's not puritanism on Facebook's part. FB would even allow live-casting suicides if it made them a profit without negative press.

But it is Facebook catering to the puritanism of the parents for marketing purposes.

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Post by mieseratte »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #100
mieseratte wrote: post #97

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> It's even worse when you consider how it's based in binary gender thinking. More like even better. Glad to see a website exercising critical thinking. > Are a transgender person's nipples allowed, or not? Is it sexually suggestive? Then no. > A gender-neutral standard would be better. Well that's a policy ignorant of reality.

What reality is that I wonder?

The reality of two genders.

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Post by mieseratte »

pushpop wrote: post #139
mieseratte wrote: post #99

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> Regardless of you want to define it, a female nipple is still no more offensive than a male one. That's your subjective opinion.

Maybe; but it’s an educated one. People who see a distinction are operating on outdated and sexist sensibilities rather than tackling the anatomical differences behind the distinction. What if the girl is masculine and is flat chested and has short hair, is that then ok? Or what if a man has gynecomastia, should his nipples then be covered? Literally the only reasons people make a distinction is because they’re taugh…

> Maybe; but it’s an educated one.

No, it's your subjective one. Nothing educated about it.

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Post by ryanmercer »

warent wrote: post #88
fortran77 wrote: post #33

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It would make sense to respond to a complaint for a direct message that contained these emojis.

For starters, the issue isn't remotely as rampant for men as it is for women who routinely (i.e. multiple times a day) receive unsolicited sexual advances offline and online in the form of dick pics. It's also much easier for a man to physically take advantage of a woman than vice versa, so women would naturally feel much more threatened by this behavior. Men's inboxes just aren't constantly getting filled with unsol…

Unslicited 'dick picks' are now a crime in Texas, I imagine other states will adopt similar laws too.

>Men's inboxes just aren't constantly getting filled with unsolicited nudes, and those that are received rarely cause men to feel concerned that it could lead to real aggravated sexual assault.

I have several drag queen friends and friends that work/perform in gay clubs, simply commenting on their posts causes me to get 1-2 unsolicited dick picks (or worse, spread cheeks for example) a month on average from friends of theirs or people that simply follow them. I am not gay, I am not interested in penises, I did not ask for them. I report every single one.

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