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Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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Because political discussions are incredibly polarizing, specially these days, and once they are allowed they pulverize the company into factions that cannot work together until the more strident or powerful of these factions takes over and pushes everybody else out or into silence. And when this happens, you have an homogeneous political body as the gatekeeper to the worlds information. What could go wrong?

So the key to a diverse organization is not talking about politics? Seems unlikely.

Politics and religion are uniquely divisive subjects, and when you allow endless arguments about them, you create a rigid and hostile atmosphere that kills comity and intellectual collaboration. Everything becomes an argument about politics, and then activism, and than ostracism and purity spirals. It's a classic pattern.

So yes, you really should taboo political arguments if you don't want to drive away people with independent views.

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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No shit. I guess Google can no longer assume that there is a single correct world view that all good and smart people hold. Who knew.

This is so hilariously wrong that I don't even know where to start. Google's culture was predicated on hiring intelligent, emotionally-continent adults. Free discussion of politics wasn't banned during my time there because everyone was capable of understanding precisely the opposite of what you're describing: that differing views on the world exist and are attributable to more than just whether someone is a good or…

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Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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As an example: https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1120320958382755840 @Pinboard has collected a bunch of these. https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Apinboard%20PAC

The sums in question are for some reason ridiculously small. Seriously, $2500 donation? That is some serious political spending from Google!

The donations are capped by law at $5,000 per candidate+election (so typically a corporate PAC can give $10,000 to a congressional or senate candidate).

The amounts are not as important as the fact that Google's name is attached to them. But I agree with you that the overall figure is tiny, which makes it more mysterious why Google continues to make these donations, which amount to legalized bribery.

IBM and Apple do fine without a corporate PAC. Microsoft suspended its own PAC after strong internal pressure from employees over donations to some of the same terrible people.

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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The sums in question are for some reason ridiculously small. Seriously, $2500 donation? That is some serious political spending from Google!

afaik the limit is $5,000 per election, or x2 $2500 payments. the total political spending from google is closer to several hundred thousand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_in_the_United...

This, though I'd prefer the official link: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate...

Google is usually maxing the donations it's allowed.

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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I try to just do work at work, but to play contrarian:

If one agrees with Aristotle in that: "Man is by nature a political animal," the cultural acceptance of no politics at work seems almost nefarious. Most of us spend more time at work than perhaps any other activity, barring sleep.

One could perhaps even hypothesize that without some political discussion at work, people exclusively talk with friends who share their political opinions, causing larger lateralization of political thought.

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because political discussions are incredibly polarizing, specially these days, and once they are allowed they pulverize the company into factions that cannot work together until the more strident or powerful of these factions takes over and pushes everybody else out or into silence. And when this happens, you have an homogeneous political body as the gatekeeper to the worlds information. What could go wrong?

So the key to a diverse organization is not talking about politics? Seems unlikely.

One of the keys to a diverse organization is to adopt policies and practices that don't strongly encourage uniformity. Political compatibility is one form of uniformity that can work to reduce diversity and inclusion. Perhaps "Handle With Care" might be a wise attitude?

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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>I think they just overestimated the ability of their employees to respect each other when they hold differing world views. I think this can be quite difficult to do just because of the political views involved. For example, how should a gay man respect a colleague who honestly thinks that homosexuality should be punished with death. In such a case, I would say that even asking the first individual to tolerate, much…

> For example, how should a gay man respect a colleague who honestly thinks that homosexuality should be punished with death. Do you think that's a good example of the kind of things Google staff debate about?

I tried to pick an example that is both held by people in the world today, thus it couldn't be easily dismissed as unrealistic, while at the same time not being something people here would actually debate, so as to not sidetrack the point.

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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post #88

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At work? A lot of other things.

Even if your place of work has a hand and a demonstrably relevant position in a lot of global political discussions?

You can have proper workshops/apps/meetings to discuss these things and gather input from all employees in a way that doesn't disturb the regular day-to-day work.

The problem is that discussing politics at any time in your workplace to people that have opposite views and/or don't want to discuss politics at that time is counterproductive.

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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It's funny how we pigeonhole "things that actually matter" as "politics" and that those things are somehow taboo. I mean, what's MORE worth talking about than human rights, the environment, history, etc.?

Well, that depends what you regard as important. Many of the things I'd guess you regard as important I don't, and vice-versa. Who decides? Why are you the arbiter of what's "obviously" important? That's a fallacious appeal to common knowledge.

I suppose one would have to debate these topics to figure that out.

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

#160

Monkey has shit the bed already though hasn't it. I never had the need to discuss politics at work. Just don't do it, why open that can of worms. Absolutely no need to do so. One time a coworker asked me and I said "I don't discuss politics at work". Be professional, people.

>One time a coworker asked me and I said "I don't discuss politics at work".

These days, even that is seen as taking a side. People get suspicious when you don't join in with the group political affirmations, and start suspecting you to be a secret "other." That's how toxic it's become.

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