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U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia’s Power Grid

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You won't have much of a country if you let the enemy get the advantage. Sovereignty is maintained through force.

... or perhaps just hire security professionals familiar with formal verification, then design secure systems?

Offense is the best defense. And simulations are not the same as the real world, especially for security.

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#152

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There are dozens of countries murdering their own citizens. The US is not nearly as much as problem as people want to make it seem and Pax Americana has led to almost a century without major worldwide war.

The death sentence is the same thing, just with more decoration.

You mean criminals tried, found guilty, lost all appeals, and sentenced to death? This is not the same thing as countries killing their own innocent citizens.

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There are dozens of countries murdering their own citizens. The US is not nearly as much as problem as people want to make it seem and Pax Americana has led to almost a century without major worldwide war.

> There are dozens of countries murdering their own citizens. I assume you're including the US in this, too.

In what way?

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The US plays "fairly" in international relations? Honestly amazed if anyone truly stands by that statement. The irony of mentioning treaties too. That's some next level true believer stuff. Would love to have a chat about: * Chemical weapons convention * Mine ban treaty * Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court * Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty * Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty * Biological and Toxin Weapons Con…

> The US plays "fairly" in international relations? Honestly amazed if anyone truly stands by that statement. If you consider how much power the U.S. has and how often it does not use that power to its fullest advantage, it's pretty remarkable how much it holds back.

I don't think they're holding back so much as the Pax Americana system is the most profitable for them. They aren't powerful enough to choke the whole world, nor would they even want to.

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#156

I don't understand a single bit from this article.

Rational people are often confused by the war media's agitation for war. The reason for the confusion is they are lying to us . Whenever I'm confused by the war media, I conclude they must be trying to start another war. They're pressing this button too often, though. Compare the results in Syria to those in Libya...

Genuinely asking: what is their motive behind this?

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#157

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"We hid this from the president because we were afraid he might issue a perfectly legal and constitutional order to stop doing it." Yes, way to bury the lede.

Sounds more like, "We hid this from the president because he's _at best_ an unwitting intelligence asset to a hostile foreign power."

The fact that both interpretations are potentially valid is particularly awful.

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When Trump's base says that "the deep state" is trying to start a war between the US and Russia, it's quotes like these that will be used to bolster their claims.

Would they be wrong? Edit: AFAICT both sides are "technically not wrong", homomorphic to the basic "free speech" argument, "it's technically not illegal". I'm a bit flabberghasted that no one has constructed an ironclad technological solution to this wishy-washy dance of weak arguments, backed up by rhyme but not reason. Proof verifiers should come to politics.

They are not wrong unfortunately, just unaware of Trump's own complicity in the war machine.

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Throwback to Madam Secretary. On a more serious note, does the US have red teams which try pen test our own power grid and other critical infrastructure? I don't believe I've ever heard of it, but I would have to assume at least one three letter agency does it right? (I hope)

It's "own" to them unless the grid is state owned.

Secondly, three letter agencies don't work for the citizens (in which case they might focus on defense) but for military industrial complex, so taxpayer money is spent attacking foreign countries.

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