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Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

#151

For me the red flag is them willing to send this letter to Chase, via snail mail at no charge to you. Nobody gives something for nothing. So I thought, why would they do this? after reading through the form, at the bottom, it looks like one of the companies, who sponsors this site, "Radvocate" seems like they are in the "class action" lawsuit business. https://myradvocate.com/ This site is about having enough potenti…

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Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

#152

For me the red flag is them willing to send this letter to Chase, via snail mail at no charge to you. Nobody gives something for nothing. So I thought, why would they do this? after reading through the form, at the bottom, it looks like one of the companies, who sponsors this site, "Radvocate" seems like they are in the "class action" lawsuit business. https://myradvocate.com/ This site is about having enough potenti…

From a "consumer who wouldn't individually sue chase" perspective I see nothing wrong here. I know many here consider this to be ideological heresy but it's possible to have a transaction where both parties come out ahead and this seems like one of those win-wins to me. They do a little work for you in exchange for putting your name on a list of people they can use in a class action, you might even get $5 or somethin…

win/win

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

#153
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IANAL, so can someone help me understand how bullet proof their privacy policy is ( https://www.chaseoptout.com/PrivacyPolicy.pdf )? It seems to me that it's pretty flimsy? In particular: > To conduct research and to improve and promote our services . We use the information wecollect to conduct research and to improve or enhance and promote our Services. Both promotion and research are pretty damn broad terms, right?

Oh dang. So this whole thing is just a big data grab. Even if they aren't going to make fraudulent charges, that's a clear ulterior motive.

I think it's pretty clear that HMBradly/RADvocate is trying to get email addresses through this campaign.

Personally, I'm very much okay with the exchange in this case, particularly given the cost of mailing physical letters.

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

#154
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Assuming that you're completely legit and utterly competent, there's still a big security problem here: it's encouraging people to put their PII and CC info into arbitrary Web sites . On top of that, it's further identifying them as both Chase CC holders and receptive to scams, qualifying them as leads for further phishing/scamming.

Unfortunately this is the problem that Chase created ... we give users a way to download a form letter instead, but were just trying to make it as easy as possible for customers to opt out if they would like to do so

Collecting/storing credit card numbers, names, and addresses is creating a whole new problem for users.

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

#156

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While I disagree on that point, what about the fact that the terms require you to mail it yourself. Edit: Also, I'm not sure what "wet signature" means. The claim was not quite that the signature has to be in ink . The debate is over whether you (not someone else) are performing the signing, and whether you (not someone else) are mailing (not emailing etc.) it on paper (not e.g. a flash drive) or not. Which, to me, m…

I agree with you on the mailing part. Was just pointing out that a personal signature and electronic signature are identical unless specifically stated otherwise due to the E-Sign Act.

Re: that part: but you don't even have any way to sign this electronically to begin with. They did not provide you with an electronic form/page/whatever to sign, nor an electronic address to send your signature to. The contract required you to personally sign and mail a letter into that P.O. Box, and unless you plan on downloading your signature into that P.O. Box, you don't really have any other option besides paper (unless you get clever with papyrus or something I guess). No matter how I slice and dice it I don't see how the E-Sign act has any kind of relevance here... except perhaps for the part that if you keep a scanned copy of your letter for your records, that'd be considered just as valid of a record as a photocopy?

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

#157

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An ecommerce site has a merchant agreement with a payment processor to comply with PCI DSS. This does not. It is in no way similar.

FYI we are complying with PCI DSS when you use this site - you can read details in the FAQ

Anyone can make a FAQ on the web. Not everyone can prove compliance with PCI DSS.

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

#158
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Do we have proof of that? I think the fact that we're taking your word for everything so far is the source of the discomfort here.

Sort of humorous comment, as PCI DSS is self assessment and attestation of compliance. If OP states they’ve met their burden, that’s all that’s required at their scale.

Really? I evidently know nothing of the matter, but you're saying that the auditors only get involved when they become a larger operation?

Re: Chase did a bad thing, so we did a good thing

#160
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I just want to point out that, as a user, opting out of this portion of Chase's agreement could result in Chase deciding to close your account. Not advocating what course of action to take, but merely pointing out that there is risk associated with this action. That being said, I have read through the email from Chase, and there is nothing that explicitly states that they will close it as a result of the user opting…

If people didn't have enough reasons to close their Chase account already, this is a pretty good one.

I would actually like to see that service. A website that closes your bank account for you. They can be very tricky when you try to do that.

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