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I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by freeone3000 »

maxxxxx wrote: post #127
BadThink6655321 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the culture of the people. I have experienced numerous instances where an Indian candidate is not who they claim to be. Person X is hired, person Y shows up. Person X conducts the phone interview for person Y. And so on. And this has happened for not just me.

I just experienced this with a contractor. I have never seen him do anything himself. I strongly suspect he is sending his work somewhere else.

He's a contractor. That's the difference between him and an employee: He chooses the time, place, and manner of his work, including subcontracting it. If he's not allowed to do this, chances are you have an employee.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by tytytytytytytyt »

hndl wrote: post #147
johnwh wrote: post #144

Backdoor references are very unethical in my opinion. Beyond the fact that you are telling a third party about someone’s job search without the searcher’s consent, you can also get a very biased opinion. My wife was fired from a job at a well known University in the area. She had 2 bosses in a year, one of them twice after coming back from prolonged mental health leave. Within a month of coming back my wife’s boss ha…

How does this work in the case when you're still employed at a current place and a looking to make a change? Edit - I think you mean doing a verification after an offer is put out.

You mean like verify past employment dates and only verify the last employment date after they are hired and no longer work at their last employer?

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by hndl »

tytytytytytytyt wrote: post #152
hndl wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this work in the case when you're still employed at a current place and a looking to make a change? Edit - I think you mean doing a verification after an offer is put out.

You mean like verify past employment dates and only verify the last employment date after they are hired and no longer work at their last employer?

right

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by tytytytytytytyt »

amatecha wrote: post #97
paulgb wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deleted my LinkedIn over a year ago and haven't looked back. It might be handy for sales folks but as a developer it's a cesspool of spammy content and dark patterns.

Yeah, I get the "opportunity of a lifetime" about once a week, maybe once every two weeks.

From a recruiter in NJ about an opportunity in CA?

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by bduerst »

lkrubner wrote: post #64
bduerst wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? They'd eventually deceive the new customers just to make the sale, even going so far to fabricate facts and people just to do it. That's not the type of person you want bringing on new accounts at your company.

If they engage in outright fraud, then they are criminals, and they've probably been criminals in the past. That's why I emphasized the one thing to really check for is whether they are hiding a criminal past. At one point, when I was running my own business, I worked with an alcoholic who was a good salesman. I knew that he could be toxic, so I structured an agreement such that I kept some distance between him and m…

>If they engage in outright fraud, then they are criminals, and they've probably been criminals in the past.

You're assuming that they were caught and convicted.

Displaying this pattern of behavior w/o a criminal history doesn't mean they won't continue said behavior in the job. It's a terrible idea to have hired this candidate and I'm not entirely certain what your motivation is for arguing otherwise.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by vidoc »

kelukelugames wrote: post #88

This is not a catfish. This is a person lying on their resume

> This is not a catfish. This is a person lying on their resume

I agree, the author uses "Catfish" because it's cool to use a word that you know your reader will have to google, a bit like using a TLA.

Anyhow, "Catfish" is a cool word nevertheless, and I am proposing we reserve it to people who climb the professional ladder exclusively thanks to their online identity. Typically, an engineer who does a lot of public speaking, who uses github to host repos of files that actually contain not a single line of code. A mini celebrity of engineering that end up going from companies to companies, generally hired without being whiteboarded, who at the end of the day is just a dud.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by whatshisface »

BadThink6655321 wrote: post #150
darpa_escapee wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does person X show up to person Y's on-site interviews?

Not in my experience. But doing an on-site interview in India is the exception, not the rule. (Note: I’ve done both). And when an “on-site” interview is done, make sure you’re the one who is on-site, and not an Indian agent. Their caste system makes it hard for “others” to be people, and we all know what happens when you dehumanize others.

>Their caste system makes it hard for “others” to be people, and we all know what happens when you dehumanize others.

Since I have little experience with outsourcing to India, the implication here is mysterious to me. What are you getting at?

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by rlayton2 »

swozey wrote: post #130
mrbill wrote: post #87

You just never know who might turn up from your past... 1999: I was a sysadmin at an ISP in Austin. One day we had a tour come through, people looking to see if they wanted to colo in our datacenter. In walks in the former CEO and most of the technical staff from the Oklahoma City-based ISP I'd started my career at and left in '96. We laughed, shook hands.. and they headhunted me away a couple months later with a 200…

And on the flip side bear in mind that some of us were 10-15yo on IRC back in the day. Don't fault those of us too hard.

Yes, one of the great things about the "don't use your proper name on the internet" was the ability to let go of the past if needed. Much much harder now.
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