ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey • Hacker News Board

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by bogomipz » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 6:01 PM UTC

def_true_false wrote: post #149

bogomipz wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they didn't "own" Google's data centers at all. They tapped a fiber optic cable outside any data centers. Every other wavelength and individual strand in that cable would have also been susceptible. Fiber optic cables aren't some secret, they're quite visible(orange) and accessible in public rightaways. So yeah Protonmail is not much safer from that level of hostility is it? Lastly for all Protonmail's righteo…

Why don't you link their response while you are at it? https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-isr...

Because I acknowledged that they've responded to it with:

"Proton mails seems to like to brush this off ..."

And I don't find they're explanation particularly cogent. And for a company that makes such a big deal about their Swiss affiliation this seems to big a particularly glaring detail.

From your link:

>"Recently, malicious rumors have surfaced that our partnership with Radware means Israel has compromised ProtonMail email privacy (since Radware’s international headquarters is in Israel). These rumors have mostly been spread by conspiracy theorists who don’t at all understand ProtonMail’s technology."

Do you think that Protonamil is privy to what goes on in the hardware of either Binat-Rad Group Ltd's Radware DPI asics or the network topology in Binat-Rad Group's data centers?

And Binat-Rad does have a relationship with the Israeli government:

"In our opinion, the Company’s working capital is sufficient for the Company’s present requirements. Since our inception, we have financed our operations through a combination of issuing debt and/or equity securities, including two public offerings, research and development and/or marketing grants from the Government of Israel and cash generated by operations."[1]

And if you think that Binat-Rad is not involved in politics, see:

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5204589

[1] https://seekingalpha.com/filing/458350

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by protonmail » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 6:25 PM UTC

digianarchist wrote: post #136

DomreiRoam wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just read the provided link and it seems to me that that will not provide anything without a court order. They say they may decide to terminate an account or preserve the requested account data without a court order.

"We rendered assistance to Swiss law enforcement working on this case without having yet received a court order, but with the understanding that an approved court was on its way to us." Conveniently the page is never update to say whether these court orders were actually delivered.

We got the court order. 100%. If not we would have taken the requesting agency to court.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by friesen » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

protonmail wrote: post #152

digianarchist wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We rendered assistance to Swiss law enforcement working on this case without having yet received a court order, but with the understanding that an approved court was on its way to us." Conveniently the page is never update to say whether these court orders were actually delivered.

We got the court order. 100%. If not we would have taken the requesting agency to court.

Y'all rendered assistance to Swiss law enforcement prior to actually receiving the order?

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by notaplumber » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 7:54 PM UTC

It should be blocked by all public mailing lists too, quite frankly. Its users cannot be bothered configure the webmail properly and often send atrociously formatted replies to threads.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by digianarchist » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 10:04 PM UTC

protonmail wrote: post #152

digianarchist wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We rendered assistance to Swiss law enforcement working on this case without having yet received a court order, but with the understanding that an approved court was on its way to us." Conveniently the page is never update to say whether these court orders were actually delivered.

We got the court order. 100%. If not we would have taken the requesting agency to court.

Please update the page stating such.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by ekianjo » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:18 AM UTC

zaarn wrote: post #99

ekianjo wrote: post #71

Why use protonmail instead of actual PGP that would never be blocked?

Protonmail makes it easy. Even today using PGP Email is not something I would trust the average computer user to pull off and pull it off safely

> Even today using PGP Email is not something I would trust the average computer user to pull off and pull it off safely

I'd argue it is not that complicated once you take the time to explain how it works.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by 2aa07e2 » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 4:45 AM UTC

tjomk wrote: post #91

2aa07e2 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it is not. It is not related to the signature settings anymore.

It is. They add it automatically on mobile but you can delete it. And it's never on desktop. Just tried to send from both clients and didn't have any extra added to the message.

When was your account created? Mine was created in the previous 30 days.

I even had brought up the browser's dev tools and tried to disable that setting but with no luck. It might had been a A/B test, or specific only to my country, but the point remains that it was a separate setting than the signature and it was impossible to disable it without paying. On desktop.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by atomkarinca » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 12:54 PM UTC

the suggestions that are proposed are: - use a vpn >> when protonmail is unreachable, protonvpn is unreachable, too. so not so useful. - switch dns >> till when? till it`s not only a dns problem anymore. by the looks of it, it`s not gonna take much time. - use tor >> tor is blocked, too. so... yeah.

i guess when people in the us or europe think about censorship, then think of this romantic blocking of some services, and if you`re tech-savvy enough, you can bypass anything.

no you can`t (at least i can`t). it`s turkey now, it`s gonna be universal tomorrow.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by medyadaily » Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 3:19 AM UTC

Turkey is the largest prison for journalists they recently started a genocide on Kurdish population in Syria in city of afrin and they are hugely cracking down on anyone who is criticisizing their war on kurdish civilians. Unfortunately they have extended their censorship outside turkey and even in United States to get Kurdish accounts banned for criticizing erdogan's government

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by tony101 » Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 7:32 AM UTC

2aa07e2 wrote: post #157

tjomk wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. They add it automatically on mobile but you can delete it. And it's never on desktop. Just tried to send from both clients and didn't have any extra added to the message.

When was your account created? Mine was created in the previous 30 days. I even had brought up the browser's dev tools and tried to disable that setting but with no luck. It might had been a A/B test, or specific only to my country, but the point remains that it was a separate setting than the signature and it was impossible to disable it without paying. On desktop.

Are you still able to manually delete the added line from your email messages at compose time?