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Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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What risk? I bought the flat I live in to make risk lower. If you live on somebody else's property, you are more vulnerable and owner can limit how you treat the property.

What will happen if the economy collapses and the value of your flat is worth half what you paid for it and you lose your job?

I guess we should also consider what happens when the economy collapses and the value but not the cost of your rented living space is worth half what the landlord paid for it and you lose your job.

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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> He renders no service to the community, he contributes nothing to the general welfare, he contributes nothing to the process from which his own enrichment is derived. The value landlords provide is the assumption of risk. The premium you pay to rent is in exchange for vastly limiting your exposure to said risk. This is why offloading the risk onto creditors (ie purchasing real estate with borrowed money under an LL…

What risk? I bought the flat I live in to make risk lower. If you live on somebody else's property, you are more vulnerable and owner can limit how you treat the property.

It depends on where you are renting. Some jurisdictions have extremely tenant friendly laws [ which is how you end up with people paying $400/mo rents for 3 bedroom apartments in West Village or in Upper East Side ], while others don't.

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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Hot housing markets are extremely high risk high reward investments. Buying NYC real estate for example, it is practically impossible to use a traditional "buy and hold" strategy and have the rents cover the cost of investment (typically rent covers more like 50% of operating costs in NYC). You pretty much only make money in NYC REI via speculation (ie the property goes up in value) not from paying down the mortgage…

Last I heard, NYC is literally running out of pavement space for pedestrians, let alone vehicles, and increasing the supply of housing still hasn't brought prices down.

It is not. Brooklyn, Queens and Bronx are littered two story houses.

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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You didn't challenge the statement to GP made, but one he didn't make. He didn't say that landlords are vastly richer than workers. He said that landlords make little or no contribution to the general welfare. Your own comment points out that in SF, the median landlord makes roughly what the median software developer makes. But a software developer in the Bay Area is one of the most productive workers on the planet,…

The landlord produces a place for people to stay. Why is that "nothing"? I've rented. I didn't like paying rent every month, but it beat sleeping in my car. Do you think the landlord should provide apartments for free? Returning to Churchill's statement: Every one of those improvements improves every landowner, whether a landlord or a homeowner. For every one of them, they have done nothing - except pay taxes. (But n…

You're ignoring the economic choices not taken.

The investor capitalized the builder, and the builder constructed the housing, and the lender capitalized the landlord, and the landlord bought the building, all because they knew that people need to have a place to exist, and that the spot they picked was a likely spot.

If renting were somehow not allowed, none of them would have any use for that spot. There would not be that same building there, but there is the possibility that there would be a 12 bed + 1 outhouse shanty/bunkhouse there instead, which would also be better than sleeping in your car, but only just barely. And the cost of your kip would be much less.

There is also the possibility that instead of just one 3200 sq.ft. house with grass-covered yard, there would be a low-rise tenement-style condo-plex with 8 units at 1600 sq.ft. each, with limited covered parking and no lawn. With enough of those on the same street, there might also be a bus stop nearby, and competition among local utilities.

But by defining that plot as one place for one family to live, the landlord and his financiers has ensured that no matter how big it is, it is too expensive for the renter to easily buy it. If the landlord did not exist, that plot would have to be divided into as many places as is necessary to bring the price down to what those who will be occupying those places can afford to pay each other to stay out of someone else's spot.

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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So what's your point? Do you want to eliminate rent? Should people who either can't afford to purchase a house, or who simply don't want to, be forced into homelessness? Personally I've paid over $115,000 in rent over the past 12 years, but I don't begrudge my landlord their money. I attained utility in exchange for the rent I paid, and have no problem with the arrangement. Not, of course, to say that I'm happy when…

>Do you want to eliminate rent? Yes. Land should be held by housing cooperatives or by private owner-occupiers. Rentiers can go find a line of business that contributes to society.

So what should exactly should those of us without the capital to buy or build our own houses do? Hit the road?

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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post #132

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What risk? I bought the flat I live in to make risk lower. If you live on somebody else's property, you are more vulnerable and owner can limit how you treat the property.

What will happen if the economy collapses and the value of your flat is worth half what you paid for it and you lose your job?

I have a place to live in, while if I would be renting, I would have no more money for rent and had to move. I am not speculating on that flat with intention to sell. I live in it.

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism That quote is the exact reason that land needs to be taxed at a much higher rate than it's currently taxed. Notice I say "land", so that doesn't include anything built on that land. The value of land is directly tied to the desirability of the land around it. Land in Manhattan is more valuable than land in the middle of South Dakota because of all the network effects of other pe…

> That quote is the exact reason that land needs to be taxed at a much higher rate than it's currently taxed. Notice I say "land", so that doesn't include anything built on that land. > > The value of land is directly tied to the desirability of the land around it. Land in Manhattan is more valuable than land in the middle of South Dakota because of all the network effects of other people (and the government) buildin…

Do you have proof of this? What are these visible and documented ways?

I'm not certain I completely understand your argument. Basically every explanation of LVT that I've come across says that it will decrease the amount of blighted land, as a land-value tax increases the incentive for landowners to improve their land.

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism That quote is the exact reason that land needs to be taxed at a much higher rate than it's currently taxed. Notice I say "land", so that doesn't include anything built on that land. The value of land is directly tied to the desirability of the land around it. Land in Manhattan is more valuable than land in the middle of South Dakota because of all the network effects of other pe…

> That quote is the exact reason that land needs to be taxed at a much higher rate than it's currently taxed. Notice I say "land", so that doesn't include anything built on that land. > > The value of land is directly tied to the desirability of the land around it. Land in Manhattan is more valuable than land in the middle of South Dakota because of all the network effects of other people (and the government) buildin…

Part of your premise here seems logically incorrect. If land-value taxes is more heavily affected by neighboring properties then they should actually be harder, not easier, to manipulate since this is a two way asymmetrical situation. For any given amount of blight property values should lower by a larger percent than land values

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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Fair enough! Coops acquiring property for renting to citizens when possible Yes, this sounds like a good idea. As a Libertarian, I like this model because it is compatible with private property rights, and doesn't demand some sort of government intervention.

You don't think property coops are at a high risk of acting like current HOAs?

Perhaps, but as long as participation is voluntary, I can live with that. That said, if I ever buy a house, it will very pointedly be in an area with no HOA. :-)

Re: Rising Rents Are Pushing More Tenants Past the Breaking Point

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I guess it depends where you live. Not all landlord make money on their property. I've had two landlords so far that lost money on their properties due to a combination of falling home prices and a depressed rental market. It was actually a wealth transfer from them to me!

They may have lost money but they got their $ elsewhere (tax write offs etc)

My mortgage interest write-off basically covers the property tax, and the write-off goes down every year, as the tax goes up every year.

I live in my home, but that would still be true if I were to rent it out.

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