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Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#151

Will this be able to handle live streaming, for example using OBS?

From the comments on the blog post.

eastdakota: "We plan to support live streaming. We're gathering data on how people would prefer to do streaming. As soon as we figure out the best way to support the greatest number of use cases we'll add it to live to Stream."

Definitely really interested to know what they are thinking of doing. Potentially a customer if they do it right and much cheaper than the competition!

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#152
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While DNS caches can sometimes impact DNS updates, we rebuild the entire zone file when a DNS value is updated, and purge the previous cache. Even for customers, this should happen pretty quickly. We maintain a 5 minute TTL on all proxied records internally. So, this happens much faster than most other DNS services.

Yeah - that's a pretty standard way of doing things, and thats how DNS servers themselves will operate (mostly) when you make an update to a recordset. Its not your cache that is the issue. People have miss behaving caches, that do not always respect TTLs, some apps can cache the DNS response (I remember a Java issue where the initial value found was cached for the lifetime of the process!).

This is a secondary issue. Lots of shitty DNS hosts do not immediately start serving the new records when you push an update.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#153
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a citation on hand for this? I’m not familiar with the industry or incumbents and don’t know one way or the other.

I think the CEO of cloudflare is a pretty decent authoritative source for such a statement.

The same CEO that also happens to be marketing a new product?

Do you really believe that all statements made by CEOs should be accepted without question?

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#154

It's interesting that they have "monetization" in one of the panels in their process diagram. Does that mean Cloudflare is getting into the advertising game?

CloudFlare is in an incredible position for advertising since they are a proxy. Imagine just dropping a tag like this onto your page: And CloudFlare scans your page to figure out the genre of ad to display, does the live auction, and replaces it with a real ad. Now imagine that for non-display ads like injected content. Meanwhile even Google has to crawl your Adsense pages to know what sort of content to serve. And t…

And you did not even mention the biggest difference to the conventional model: those ads would be indistinguishable from regular content on the network level. Good luck trying to get an ad blocker to remove your personalized "message from our sponsors" from the picture of a kitten you wanted to see when it is watermarked right into the JPEG.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#155
CloudFlare is entering a very crowded space. With YouTube and Facebook owning an overwhelming majority of video hosting market, what’s left is shared between Brightcove, The Platform, Ooyala, Bitmovin, Vimeo, Vidyard, Wistia and a whole ton of smaller players and in-house solutions (ffmpeg -> _any cdn_ -> video.js).

Surely, this piece of the pie is not as big as many had hoped for, but there’s definitely more than a 1000 companies that think their video content is worth a better platform than YouTube or Facebook, however they define “better”.

What’s the deal with ‘lossless compression’? I feel like they use the term very differently from how the industry uses it.

Multiple resolutions, adaptive bitrates, dynamic packaging for different versions of HLS/DASH/Smooth are pretty much a must-have for any video solution these days, free or paid.

It’s amusing to hear an argument that CDNs are hampering adoption of better video compression from a CDN company. However, while Akamai surely would love to bill for more bytes per minute of video, no one is asking them. They just distribute whatever and however many bytes origin server has for them (give or take some convenience features around it).

CDNs are scrambling to provide compelling features to increase stickiness, usually with limited success when it comes to video. Bandwidth-heavy customers do want to take advantage of rapidly commoditising technology and falling prices and are pushing for multi-CDN strategy.

Using correct terminology and customising stock Bitdash player would have helped at the start of such ambitious endeavour. Good luck to CloudFlare and congrats to Bitmovin.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#156
post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

God for the amount of going around accusing others of being slaves and cucks and whatever you would think you'd all be a bit, y'know, stronger and complain a lot less

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#157
post #2

I typically find myself off set with every new Cloudflare offering, followed by wondering if they are reaching for a niche outside of DDOS protection. I'm not in a position to explore a need for Cloudflare outside of hiding my origin IP addresses, but for those of you who are, are you actually using and benefiting from the wide array of offerings from Cloudflare? As it stands now, I see these announcements and make a…

Yes, they have plenty of customers benefiting and are one of the few companies that are constantly innovating with new features, especially with content delivery performance and security. As much as I dislike network consolidation into a handful of companies, there are not many real competitors for the features and value of Cloudflare.

Nice edit. Were the downvotes getting to you?

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#158
post #128
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you be more specific? I'm not invested in this, but if I were, I would want to know: - will Cloudfare require a legal DMCA takedown notice in order to take down content, or will they allow 'trusted' partners such as large companies to simply assert a violation? - will Cloudfare employ any sort of automated copyright screening algorithms, like ContentID, that automatically prevent sharing of some content? - when s…

Disclaimer: As far as I understand it. May not be completely accurate, not a lawyer much less a lawyer in the USA. On receiving a DMCA takedown notice they have to remove access to the content. Them's the rules of the DMCA. You can then file a counter claim if the notice is mistaken or fraudulent or you have the required permissions. The next step for the claimant is then to either remove their claim and allow your c…

As I understand youtube allows large companies to automatically delete videos, without sending a DMCA? They have some kind of API where they can delete videos they think violate their rights so that Google has less administrative costs. This has backfired in the past as many videos were deleted that didn't actually violate any rights.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#159
post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Content in "bad taste" doesn't kill people. Organized Neo-nazis do.

So does any organized hate group and it's not hard to link any content "in bad taste" to the message of some sort of hate group.

Are we really worried about being able to tell the difference between bad taste and advocating for genocide? I'm not convinced there's a gray area between those two.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#160
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale. That's a shame. There should be 100x that. That's what we want to enable.

Why should there be 100x more? Video is not optimal for lots of information. It's not interactive or easy to cite and reference. It is bandwidth intense and typically has a lower information density per byte than text has. There are plenty of places for video, but I am not so sure we need more of it. I'd say the tendency to put more content into video format is an overall negative trend.

If you have your own blog and want to provide a video, your best bet currently is to just use youtube. Many would probably prefer not using their service but providing your own streaming is just too complex.
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