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Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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post #48

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As a Tor user, there was a time when Cloudflare's captchas reduced drastically. And as long as you're using the Tor Browser, there's a great chance that you'll rarely see Cloudflare's captchas.

I saw a website recently that I couldn't load. Neither multiple different exit nodes through tor browser nor clean residential IP though chrome on linux worked and cloudflare's captcha was impossibly difficult to solve, I gave up after multiple attempts. Thankfully nice people here reposted the content into a comment. Cloudflare still has a long way to go in terms of being nice to humans.

In that case I would use cached version either through web.archive.org or Google's cache.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down?

What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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So, will Cloudflare have the same kind of DMCA and/or ContentID controls that YouTube has? How will they police the content they stream for their clients/partners?

I know a few online businesses that don't use YouTube because they operate in a grey area in terms of fair use on videos (videogame footage) and they don't want to build their video business on YT because of their "trust the claimant over the content producer" and 3-strikes approach to DMCA claims.

Obviously if customers are paying Cloudflare to host their videos, I would assume the dispute process would be less one-sided, but have they said anything about this yet?

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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post #28

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What is the turnaround time for DNS to propogate on all of those registrars? Are you forced into waiting for TTL's to expire? I may be wrong but I think eugeneionesco is referencing instant DNS changes which come as a benefit of using Cloudflare and other large DNS management companies. I've never personally seen a registrar offer anything like that.

Almost instant DNS change is something that I kinda take for granted. Surprising that's so rare...

well ... the protocol was designed not do that.

DNS is "just" a globally distributed, eventually consistent, key:value store, with a ton of caching built into it.

Also, while it may look instant to you, it may not be to your customers / users / other internet people.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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post #23

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I am curious if this means they will enable access controls on streams somehow. One of the challenges with video delivery and where sites like YouTube can't work is if your business relies on providing videos to paid or logged-in members only. Patreon creators get around this in a kludgy way by using unlisted YT videos (which can still be shared by rogue patrons) but that's not ideal. But if you want to control acces…

This is commonly solved using Amazon S3 and single-access tokens I think? Pretty hefty work involved in getting it reliable, would be nice for a "drop in" solution.

Cloudfront supports private content [1].

Its good to see video encoding/storage/delivery maturing; the more players in the space, the more options one has to choose from if a provider prefers to not host your content (whether that's because of a ToS violation, or because the company CEO just doesn't want to host your content). "Drop in" solutions give your provider a great deal of control over your fate, which is okay, until its not.

With Patreon raising a large round ($60MM) of financing [2], I'd expect them to build out their own streaming system based on S3, an encoding engine, and a CDN, versus be under the control of a turnkey provider (a la Reddit having to move off of Imgur).

[1] http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonCloudFront/latest/Developer...

[2] https://patreonhq.com/new-round-funding-816d5a592477

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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>"Why? Simply put: the video streaming market is screwed up. While there's a lot of money spent on video, there are only really about 1,000 customers that do any meaningful level of streaming." So the statement that "the video streaming market is screwed up" is based on the fact that Cloudflare themselves only have 1K customers doing a meaningful level of streaming? You might want to talk to Akami, Amazon, Edgecast a…

No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale. That's a shame. There should be 100x that. That's what we want to enable.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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post #55

So, will Cloudflare have the same kind of DMCA and/or ContentID controls that YouTube has? How will they police the content they stream for their clients/partners? I know a few online businesses that don't use YouTube because they operate in a grey area in terms of fair use on videos (videogame footage) and they don't want to build their video business on YT because of their "trust the claimant over the content produ…

We will respect copyrights and our obligations under the DMCA and other laws outside the United States.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

Zero.
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