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Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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WARNING: Meta comment. Downvote to your heart's content. I am very disappointed and disheartened by a good chunk of the HN commenters right here in this thread. I would expect Apple hating in some Android-focused outlet where people get points and badges based on how much times they repeat "iSheep" in an hour, but here?! Boys and girls around here, HN is the modern place where the more intelligent and supposedly open…

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Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

#152

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What does "the fappening" have to do with privacy? Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it just people's weak passwords being guessed and then their iCloud backups being "leaked"?

Pictures automatically being uploaded to icloud is the issue here. Apple will not and maybe cannot snoop in the iphone itself (only for the recent models) but it can, will and has been getting into icloud to give to third parties. This is mandatory by law for every company operating in the US. Had this privacy weakness not been in place, it would have been much more difficult to get the pictures. Probably would not h…

My images do not upload automatically

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

#153

WARNING: Meta comment. Downvote to your heart's content. I am very disappointed and disheartened by a good chunk of the HN commenters right here in this thread. I would expect Apple hating in some Android-focused outlet where people get points and badges based on how much times they repeat "iSheep" in an hour, but here?! Boys and girls around here, HN is the modern place where the more intelligent and supposedly open…

"Look, none of us knows for sure. But talking like that disqualifies you from any intelligent and adult discussion in my eyes."

Yeesh.

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

#154

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While Bing was poor for tech related searches in the earlier days, I find it's no longer true. Are you sure it’s 0 results on Bing? I get a bunch of relevant-looking results, and they’re all different from what Google gave me (just the first page): https://www.bing.com/search?q=%22Invalid+store+category+name... Some weird personalization thing? Interested in seeing what others see when they click that link...

Maybe Bing is still doing this: http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-... In that case, the hacker news interest would probably get the page included in Bing, but it would take some time before everyone would start seeing it.

Did you try the search on both Bing and Google? Looked very different for Bing and Google.

Also, that accusation was purely a PR play by Google that IMO Bing refuted convincingly: http://searchengineland.com/bing-why-googles-wrong-in-its-ac...

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

#155

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While Bing was poor for tech related searches in the earlier days, I find it's no longer true. Are you sure it’s 0 results on Bing? I get a bunch of relevant-looking results, and they’re all different from what Google gave me (just the first page): https://www.bing.com/search?q=%22Invalid+store+category+name... Some weird personalization thing? Interested in seeing what others see when they click that link...

I get no results following your link.

Me neither...

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

#156
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Disagree strongly. Apple pays a serious price for their privacy stance, which they would rather not pay. Doing machine learning on-device makes it less effective. Apple's directions aren't as good as they could be because Maps randomly segments trips and masks its users identity. Apple's App Store revenues are lower because they limit how apps can identify users. This difference is deeper than business models. Compar…

> Doing machine learning on-device makes it less effective. Doing it on-device has other advantages besides privacy (e.g. it works without an Internet connection). > Apple's directions aren't as good as they could be because Maps randomly segments trips and masks its users identity. Could you explain that? I didn't really understand what you mean by segmenting the trips and why that should masks the user identity. >…

Two options for data queries being passed around and saved:

A trip from your house to the sex doll shop

vs.

A trip from your house to the busy thoroughfare a mile away + trip from busy thoroughfare to the next town over + trip from next town to sex doll shop

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

#157

Bing is still poor for obscure searches, e.g. today Im searching for other poor folks dealing with ebay's API and the message "Invalid store category name" in quotes. Bing 0, DuckDuckGo 0, Google plenty. Reality is most of my tech searches are like this and hence I can't give up Google, or I can at cost of either my time or my clients. It be nice to have another search engine with depth of Google but nothing comes cl…

While Bing was poor for tech related searches in the earlier days, I find it's no longer true. Are you sure it’s 0 results on Bing? I get a bunch of relevant-looking results, and they’re all different from what Google gave me (just the first page): https://www.bing.com/search?q=%22Invalid+store+category+name... Some weird personalization thing? Interested in seeing what others see when they click that link...

I get one result

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

#159

I really wish they'd let me set Siri to search DuckDuckGo.

I could almost see Apple buying DuckDuckGo, given that a) Apple cares about their users' privacy, and b) Apple cares about having control over the entire user experience. DuckDuckGo would fit right in with both of those core pieces of Apple (no pun intended). I don't think it'll actually happen, but it doesn't seem too far-fetched.

How much will buying DuckDuckGo help if they can't continue using Yahoo, Bing, Yandex, results? I assume the major search engines won't be as happy letting Apple use their indexes as they are with small DuckDuckGo.

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

#160
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Doesn't Microsoft also basically have a bottomless checkbook to spend on search? And Bing can't compete.

I think MS just does not care too much about Bing anymore, it's all about Azure nowadays.

They've tried hard with Bing for so many years now. It's also profitable. They re-did their Yahoo deal a few years ago too. They care about Bing it seems, but it's clear they can't make much headway.
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