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Opera is Reborn
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Re: Opera is Reborn
#152If I ignore your weird racist overtones. Why would you trust Google/Apple/Firefox more?
Both Firefox and Chromium are open source so you can compile them yourself. Opera never was AFAIK. I still use Opera Mini on Mobile though, because it has an ad-blocker that saves me hundreds of Mb on my data plan each month.
You can install uBlock Origin on Firefox for Android.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#153Hey opera folks who might be reading this - work on simplifying offline access to web content. I want to be able to maintain ~100 GB of offline data store, full text searchable. Wikipedia, stackexchange\stackoverflow, khan academy, zealdocs and whole bunch of other sources of useful browser renderable web content provide dumps of their data. And then they end up having to build spl apps and extensions and other garba…
Is this actually possible with a extension or another program? Id love that!
kiwix doesnt support stackoverflow...
Re: Opera is Reborn
#154Why would I want a messenger application embedded in my web browser? What advantage does that have over simply having it as a separate application?
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It's that the Chinese government have ways of getting into even resisting companies at their whim that are judged alright in completely different ways than in Norwegian law. So, just like the US government?
I'd say yes, but I also think it's a pointless question. Do these tangents on "the US bad too" and "no China worse" bore anyone else?
No, it is not pointless. Don't recall ever seeing the top-voted comment in a Google / Facebook product related post that a person will not use it because of US government surveillance. If the perception is that both governments are bad were true, then we would seeing much more of them. Someone has also (correctly) pointed out in the same thread that being tracked by the US government is significantly higher risk than the Chinese.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#156If I ignore your weird racist overtones. Why would you trust Google/Apple/Firefox more?
> Why would you trust Google/Apple/Firefox more?
It's pretty outrageous to lump these three together.
1) Google is an advertising company that makes its money selling user data/impressions to advertisers.
2) Apple is a hardware company that makes its money selling gadgets to consumers.
3) Firefox is free/libre software produced by Mozilla, a nonprofit foundation that champions the interests of users.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Did China's Great Internet Firewall and eager to control how their population access the web somehow pass you? No, neither the US's Great Internet Surveillance, and long track record of working with, arming, helping, and installing in power dictators and friendly lackeys all around the world, from Latin America to Europe.
That's a bit of a false equivalence. Letting me do something while you watch is not the same as you stopping (and punishing) me from doing it right away. You can argue which one is worse from a moral perspective, but they are not the same. As for the shitty foreign policy - if I had to buy only stuff produced in "ethical" countries, I'd be living naked and eating only dried fish.
You've never been to a farmer's market?
There's a thing called "chilling effects". People stop talking about "risky" subjects because they know they can get prosecuted arbitrarily for it.
The gameplan is simple:
* Someone says something the government doesn't like.
* A plan is devised to get this person in jail and/or to discredit them and/or to ruin their careers.
* In the case of jail, evidence for a crime is collected (from SIGINT) extralegally, and is used to innocuously find, or let someone else find, admissible evidence for the crime. This is called parallel construction and it is very real.
* Maybe they're only sued with the purpose of discrediting them via the press, while making them unable to keep their jobs. Maybe they're actually put in a cage.
It's not out in the open, but it has similar effects to totalitarianism, especially on the part of the population that is more observant and able to affect policy change.
It's not the same, but lets not pretend the US is a lighting beacon of freedom and democracy. Maybe compared to China, but definitely not when compared to e.g. the Netherlands. (I'm biased though.)
Re: Opera is Reborn
#158How is it possible that Opera got all my saved passwords and sh*t from Chrome? I did not authorize this during install.
I think it uses Chrome's codebase, including the secure storage locations.
Regardless, this shouldn't be possible.
Chrome is supposed to tie them with the single instance you're running. You can't just copy the Chrome folder and transfer it to another location. You'd have to use Chrome's Sync for that. I'm assuming Chrome has been opened at the same time by the OP, allowing Opera to snatch the passwords and other shit, making an intrusion into Chrome's data.
But, on the other hand, I was able to copy the data from a Chrome extension after a system crash on one machine and extract the data to a new machine just fine by reinstalling the extension and then pasting the extension's folder to the same location where it was on the previous machine.
Since that extension was Mailvelope, I would essentially lose a private key in this case if that wasn't possible, since I didn't have the backup of it. Not sure if I would call that bug or a feature.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple PR on privacy is not in line with the icloud based fappening[1] and this one got highly publicized because it involved hundreds of naked celebrities. Mozilla was historically almost entirely funded by google for fueling their personal data collection and profiling (this only changed when firefox started to become irrelevant and mozilla had to scramble for survival and their first move was to keep the same offen…
The fappening was due to weak password security, and a set of criminals smart enough to sit on the exploit in order to achieve a goal. It wasn't due to some huge error or negligence on Apple's part. > funded by Google It's still an in profit producing open source software. > a remote spying mechanism call telemetry So does almost every other browser. It's easy enough to disable from memory. > attempting to dominate t…
AFAIK the fappening happened through a security flaw in apple icloud API that allowed for infinite password retries without rate limiting and failure to notice and notify repeated failed attempts.
Yes it still is open source software, but that itself does not mean that it puts user interest before its main income source interest, the point here was that mozilla has a strong stance for refusing to include tracking prevention and ad blocking while marketing itself as privacy minded and user centric software. Says one thing and does another.
What other browsers do or do not is irrelevant to the criticism and trustworthiness of mozilla, but for the record AFAIK there's no telemetry in otter or arora or rekonq or konqueror or pale moon or waterfox or iron or qupzilla or uzbl. Point is free software usually comes without spying mechanisms. Besides telemetry is only one spying thing among many others that have come and gone or are still in firefox (hello, pocket, automatic geolocation, etc.) and at times disabling them does not actually prevent the behaviour from happening. have a look at the privacy patches for firefox[1] for some examples.
You seem to have missed the point about the objective or market domination, it predates IE but the point was that the vision and priorities are wrong.
That's being said, we hold similar stances here. No trust at all for chrome and opera. A bit of non blind trust for mozilla for lack of a better alternative.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
But thinking US companies are different because they claim they're not working with the American surveillance state is mostly deluding one's self. If you ask them, Opera can also probably issue a statement saying that they don't let the Chinese surveillance state spy on them, if one says "I believe you" to one class of orgs, and "I don't believe you" to another class, and the difference is the race... Obviously in th…
>Obviously in the US there's more checks and balances, to make a company's statement more believable. Or that's what we believe anyway... Without significant prove that this is not the case this handwaving way of comparing the US democratic state to China is just wrong. From Consumer protection to free and fair elections the US system is almost nothing alike the chinese system. Of course the US has massive issues (as…
Why would the standard of evidence for US totalitarianism be higher than for Chinese totalitarianism?
Because "it's obvious in the case of China"?