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Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#152
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Shows you effects of the echo chamber you are in, as I was very surprised that Scala was only at 3.6%, and beaten by Go at 4.3 and Swift at 6.5% in the programming language section. The self-selection of people I follow on Twitter, the meetups and conferences I attend, the choice of companies and colleagues I have worked with, etc, probably just reinforce my blinkered echo chamber. This is probably true for many Hask…

To be fair, if you're in the USA, you're missing out on two of the largest audiences in the world: India and China. I imagine that's similarly why iPhone developers are more prominent in the USA/UK than elsewhere, where Android developers dominate.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#153
post #68

Some things that stand out: - The "web" is not a platform? - France pays $10k less than Germany? US pays twice that of Europe? - People who work for a small company usually have many roles, so asking people to pick their role in a single-choice way seems not right.

This doesn't account for taxation in France for 60K€ you would pay 10550€ (17.6 %) and in Germany 14000€ (23,21%), and there is also local taxations.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#154

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The situation is entirely the other way round here in Singapore (for the younger generation). I used to run Linux on a laptop, but eventually I gave up and switched to Macbook so that I don't have to deal with drivers and low-level config issues on a daily basis. In my university, 60%-70% of CS students use a Macbook. They are not working or attending conferences yet, so the change is going to take some time.

"deal with drivers and low-level config issues on a daily basis" What in gods name are you talking about? Are you using a distro from 1995?

Dude, every time I bring up my difficulty installing Ubuntu on a relatively new Macbook Pro (Retina 13-inc early 2015) people respond like this. And yet [1] I was never able to solve this issue with video drivers (or something, I never figured it out) causing incessant crashing. I mean, look at the stack overflow post, I tried so hard to get it working. This is consistent with every ubuntu install I've ever done - there's always some shit that just makes me wonder whether it's worth it.

[1] http://askubuntu.com/questions/838855/crashing-freezing-hang...

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#156
post #14

I'm surprised to see "platforms" as Win: 41%, Desktop Linux: 33%, Mac: 18.4%. Presumably this question was about the machine you use to develop software on. The reason I'm surprised has nothing to do with any advocacy. It's just that whenever I look around at a non-Apple dev conference in the US (Web, for example), it looks as though fewer than 1/5 of the machines are NON-Macs, while the answer to the question above…

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Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#157
post #86
post #78

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The big / national tech conferences - yes. They are expensive. There are many local or regional ones that are much less expensive. I'm heading to a regional one in August that is registered as a nonprofit and is less than a week's salary to attend (and I work in the public sector in the Midwest so don't think that this is big left cost salary). That said, even with a strong Microsoft bend to many session technologies…

Plane tickets, travel, hotel, catering alone can easily add up to few thousand dollars.

For the regional one I go to (That Conference), its about an hour each way. $10 in gas/day or so? Since its close enough for a long commute, I don't have to worry about a hotel (or plane tickets).

Since the conference isn't trying to pull in big bucks (its a break even - 501.C non profit even), attendee costs for 2017 are $425 (food included - and they don't skimp on food). Even if you're going to add on the hotel the conference is located in, its only $175. Toss in a plane ticket and it is probably still less expensive than the national ones for the "get in the door" ticket.

There are lots of regional or local conferences that are not absurd in pricing.

For another example of an upcoming local one: https://stirtrek.com which is a one day $99 one. Its draw is likewise local.

Yea, NoFluff is $1000 to walk in the door for two days. I'm very glad that there are others that are closer in line with not needing to drain the training budget to go to.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#158

Survey has a particular flaw: it lists ".NET Core" technology, but it's a vaporware (e.g. not a real thing). It should be corrected to ".NET".

For those who cannot grasp the point:

1. .NET Core is on 4th year of development

2. Breaking changes from version to version

3. The absence of release culture. The approach of .NET Core team is to bodge together something with a scotch tape, then call it a release. Yep, they are even lazy enough to eliminate words like "beta" or "preview" in their "releases".

4. Astronautic APIs. They are so minimal to the point they are useless

5. Does not provide a reliable way of doing things. "You can attach any configuration provider you want"... Yeah, the truth is nobody wants any, everybody wants the one that works as a basic requirement.

6. Documentation is scarce and is totally useless. Yep, I know how that method is called, thank you. What I really need is the description of what it does, how it does it, and code samples. But what you get now is a large page of HTML per class full of some obvious statements like "Method void GetState() - Gets the state.". They call it documentation. I call it BS.

I can continue. But the point is that this is enough to kill the thing off. .NET Core is already dead, but most people can't see it from the hyped bubble walls.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#159
post #122

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Whenever a kid comes around with the cool idea lets rewrite this in X, they need to explain me the business value of the proposal, like in, how will that change the monetary outcome of a project.

Isn't the implicit argument for any refactor/rewrite essentially increased velocity? "This change will allow us to do X in Y days when normally it would take some multiple of Y." It sounds like what you want is a more salient list of pain points in the current development environment and exactly how the proposed new thing would address them. Additionally, you'd want to hear the new set of pain points that the new thi…

It's the implicit rationalization. New software engineers in particular suffer from "Ohh Shiny" when choosing their toolset more than just about any other group I've worked with. To the detriment of the profession, IMO.

(Nice link. I was unaware of the name for that heuristic.)

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#160
post #150

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I ran a debian-based distro on a Lenovo thinkpad in graduate school from 2008 to about 2011. I had basically the same experience. Everything worked 95% of the time, but that other 5% felt entirely random and pretty dehabilitating. Now I use a mix of Win, OS X, and Ubuntu depending on what I am trying to accomplish. I make heavy use of Linux servers, but have no inclination of using one as a primary end-user desktop e…

You should try. The changes happened in the last 5 years are extremly big. I mean, all my notebooks (some DELL and a lenovo t430) work better with any linux distro compared to win10, and I even get +30/40% hours of battery on them

same experience here.

When people complain about Linux my first question is if they had given it a serious try in the last 2 years.

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