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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by otalp »

leereeves wrote: post #50
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

> In Germany, refugees are less likely to commit a crime than the average citizen Meanwhile in Sweden: > According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

There's a difference between 'people from foreign backgrounds' and refugees. Even in Germany, I wouldn't be surprised if 'people from foreign backgrounds' commit crimes at a higher rate when you don't adjust for socio-economic conditions.

However the majority of Syrian refugees - about 70%[1][2][3] are women and children. Again, something that is rarely mentioned in certain parts of the internet.

[1]- http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/...

[2]-https://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php

[3]-http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by gaff33 »

leereeves wrote: post #9

I tried to separate recent crime statistics from the rest of the paper. Turns out there weren't many: the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years. lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher in 2014 than in 2006. The s…

> the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years.

> he statistics also show that 17 people were killed with firearms in 2011, while the corresponding figure in 2015 was 33.

This is the part that's ironic - if the US had the same per-capita lethal violence rate as Sweeden except for immigrants who we'll assume murder 100 times as often, it would still be a lot safer than the US is currently!

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by mikko-apo »

ra1n85 wrote: post #58
piva00 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not like that at the fucking all. I live in Stockholm, I just came today to my home from a friend's place that is in one of these pesky little maps marking it as a "no-go zone". Seriously, there's nothing alarming there at all, it's a very normal area a little bit outside the center with more affordable housing (compared to the center of Stockholm but not even near "cheap") and that's about it. I've stayed on tha…

What's with the uptick in "grenade attacks"? Seems like there's been more in 2016 than in the four year period leading up to 2012? Really curious as to how this is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

I don't know about Sweden, but in Finland the number of firebomb/grenade attacks increased a lot in the past few years. All of them due Finnish born right wing zealots trying to burn down the shelters housing the refugees.

Luckily there seems to be less attacks in the last half a year.

I think there's been more attacks, but here's a summary of some of them: http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-8517586 (Dec 2015, in finnish)

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by anjc »

paublyrne wrote: post #46
koonsolo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

There are areas in Dublin where children and teenagers throw stones at fire brigades and they are certainly not immigrants. These are old white Irish areas. What sets them apart is high levels of unemployment, poverty and under employment.

What sets the no-go zones apart in places like Sweden is that, not only are they filled with poor unemployed people, but those people have a different ideology and come from third world countries, and therefore the crimes perpetrated are different from that of the indigenous population. There isn't even a street in Dublin in which that's the case.

There are certainly places in Dublin where you might be more likely to get yourself robbed in, but beaten up for drinking alcohol or walking as a white person with a Muslim girl? Nowhere.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by peteretep »

koonsolo wrote: post #108
peteretep wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not really politically > allowed to say what kind > of people live in those > neighborhoods Same answer it's been for the last 500 years? Poor people with rampant underemployment? Wonder what America would be like today if they'd cleared out all Italian and Irish immigrants 100 years ago because of immigrant ghettos?

Go ask the Native Americans what they think about all those immigrants.

You appear to have confused the word immigrant and the word invader?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by glenndebacker »

koonsolo wrote: post #12
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

"but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods"

It would help because those things are mostly done by the youth born there. Most migrants in a small (2sq miles although some like to extrapolate it to the whole country) community like Molenbeek (where most of those problems originate) are second generation or more. We are way past the point where it's a migration problem or where a migration stop would help.

I don't know how closing our borders or my absolute favourite "sending them back to their country of origin" (which will result in an infinite loop) will really help.

But then again for some we are not allowed to point to socio-economic problems, they pretend that it simply doesn't exist or it's the complete fault of the other side. What I often see in Belgium is the argument that Mohammed should find a job or that most are lazy.

But from the moment we the see the name on his resume or he shows up to do our garage door installation, it's a big "no-go" also. It's a vicious circle that works both ways.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by vermontdevil »

trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same in the US - people actually believe Dearborn Michigan is a no-go zone or 100% Sharia governed area.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

Yeah Dearborn, the HQ of Ford Motor Company. I've been to Dearborn, it sure is not a no-go zone or anything to be scared of. Beyond ridiculous.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tomlock »

facepalm wrote: post #134
gaff33 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They talk about it in the article > People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. So it seems that whil…

I'd say THAT is irrelevant. If I become victim of a crime, it doesn't console me if the perpetrator is poor. I just don't want to become a victim of a crime.

So you think it would be fair to suggest the same restrictions on poor people as people are suggesting we place on immigrants?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by aaron-lebo »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #118
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

It's strangely worded because "no-go area" is a dog-whistle that means a lot more to certain groups than others. There's a whole bunch of people who think Muslims are secretly taking over western nations, and being aided by Jews. As part of that they believe they are literally setting up whole cities under Islamic law. This is why Obama not being born in Kenya can seem like political trivia to one person, but evidenc…

The threat of Sharia is overrated in parts of the West, but it's a very real thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra45nX9JmW4

There are parts of Sharia that are not compatible with Western liberal values.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by gd1 »

egeozcan wrote: post #93
qofcourse wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worse than that. People from foreign backgrounds are probably committing far more crimes than this suggests - but because the police are so politically correct, they UNDERREPORT crimes by foreigners.

You've been bombarding this discussion with your alternate reality. Do you have any references?

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