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Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by Fnoord »

OJFord wrote: post #122
Fnoord wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I used Nylas for a while and really liked it, until they they forced everyone to pay $7 per month to use it. Sorry, but that isn't a fair way of describing what occurred. Nylas is a startup, trying to figure out a business model which works for them. You're not yet forced to pay. If you had a Nylas ID back when Pro was announced you got a gratis year of subscription. Now, they released a gratis version once more, c…

> If you had a Nylas ID back when Pro was announced you got a gratis year of subscription. Well, uh.. that didn't quite go that way for me. The Pro 'transition' was a miserable experience that made me stop using it altogether* - it literally popped up asking me if I wanted to subscribe to Pro, and if I said 'no' (thinking I'll just continue non-Pro) the whole app quit. * Coincidentally I tried it out again (seemed to…

I'm sorry to hear about your problem with the transition. Did you attempt to contact customer support about this?

My experience was I received a coupon via e-mail at june 15 2016. I upgraded the same day. But I also still use other e-mail clients to access my mail e.g. from my phone. So I would not be locked out of my e-mail if Nylas quit working that same day.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by rspeer »

cookiecaper wrote: post #135
mamcx wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all fronts is the worst, except easy of build a cross-platform GUI (not necessarily native looking!). The thing is that is easy to get the basic widgets cross-platform but in the moment you need custom widgets or easy styling html/css just is easier. I wish exist a native renderer that could use a (saner, better) subset of html/css that fit the same use case, then let us use any better language for the logic. Prob…

JavaScript is NOT the first language to provide cross-platform GUI. Such toolkits are very old. Gtk, Qt, wxWidgets, and many others serve this functionality and have bindings across dozens of languages. There is no reason to use JavaScript just so you can get a "cross platform GUI".

Gtk is not very cross-platform. It looks non-native on Windows, and it's so non-native on macOS that you have to run an X server just to see it. wxWidgets seems to be abandoned (their bindings don't even have a Python 3 release, which would happen right away if anyone cared). Most of these provide dated UI elements that people don't want to work with.

Qt perhaps is holding up the best, but I can see why people prefer Javascript's event model to Qt's.

Pointing out that old toolkits still exist doesn't necessarily help when people expect more from their toolkit now.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by jcranmer »

timdorr wrote: post #119
maglavaitss wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we need a cloud service for "read receipts"? Interesting.

Since those are accomplished via a tracking pixel in the email and you need to serve that image from a public server, then yes, you'll need a cloud service to run that. As stated before, you can choose to run that server yourself if you don't trust Nylas with that kind of data.

Or you could implement RFC 3798, an update of RFC 2298. It's not like these things haven't been standardized for almost 2 decades.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by kuschku »

e0m wrote: post #106
yoasif_ wrote: post #39

Is there a build available which doesn't require users to sign up for a Nylas ID? The support page states that "If you’re using N1 against our open source sync engine, you’ll still need to create a Nylas ID." Given the privacy policy says that Nylas shares information with third parties and that they can "make a copy of the entire contents of the applicable email inbox, calendar, and contact book", it doesn't feel li…

Nylas Mail Basic does NOT store your mail data in the cloud. It still uses a cloud service for some features (like read receipts), but all the data is local on your disk and auth credentials stored in your native OS keychain. Nylas Pro currently syncs in the cloud to enable some of the pro features not currently offered in Nylas Mail Basic and to provide a much easier to use modern API wrapper around mail data. The c…

Do you still ship the open source engine with no authentication system at all? That was a massive problem last time I checked. Sure, you mentioned it, but many didn’t read that before setting it up.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by frik »

ilSignorCarlo wrote: post #4

I used Nylas for a while and really liked it, until they they forced everyone to pay $7 per month to use it. Here's the original discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11553738

Hmm, it's open source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylas_N1

https://github.com/nylas/N1

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by nvr219 »

lxfontes wrote: post #145
yoasif_ wrote: post #39

Is there a build available which doesn't require users to sign up for a Nylas ID? The support page states that "If you’re using N1 against our open source sync engine, you’ll still need to create a Nylas ID." Given the privacy policy says that Nylas shares information with third parties and that they can "make a copy of the entire contents of the applicable email inbox, calendar, and contact book", it doesn't feel li…

Nylas privacy policy ( https://nylas.com/privacy-policy/ ) is the single reason why I don't use it. (puts Stallman's hat on) This is not free as in freedom.

:rms2:

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by karim »

jcranmer wrote: post #153
timdorr wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since those are accomplished via a tracking pixel in the email and you need to serve that image from a public server, then yes, you'll need a cloud service to run that. As stated before, you can choose to run that server yourself if you don't trust Nylas with that kind of data.

Or you could implement RFC 3798, an update of RFC 2298. It's not like these things haven't been standardized for almost 2 decades.

Unfortunately, standardization != widespread use. Tracking pixels are still the most reliable way to know whether a recipient (or many) opened your message.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by Nadya »

jcranmer wrote: post #156
ausjke wrote: post #44

still using thunderbird that is really, totally free, I recall it is EOL, looking for alternatives.

Thunderbird is not EOL. Disclaimer: I am a Thunderbird developer.

It's been over 1 year since a blog post on the Thunderbird blog [0]. Is there any possibility for an update? Maybe something like "All the cool things we worked on in 2016?" (E: I realize 'developer' does not necessarily mean 'part of the Mozilla team developing it/in charge of the blog' but you may have better contact with someone who can get this done than I have. :] )

It was to my understanding that development, outside of security fixes, was more or less halted. Although looking at commits this doesn't seem to be the case [1]. While I use and enjoy Thunderbird, I was also under the impression is was more or less frozen/dead in the water/EOL.

[0] https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/

[1] http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by [deleted] »

jcranmer wrote: post #153
timdorr wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since those are accomplished via a tracking pixel in the email and you need to serve that image from a public server, then yes, you'll need a cloud service to run that. As stated before, you can choose to run that server yourself if you don't trust Nylas with that kind of data.

Or you could implement RFC 3798, an update of RFC 2298. It's not like these things haven't been standardized for almost 2 decades.

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