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Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by pfranz »

coldtea wrote: post #137

I've written it elsewhere, but it might be worse repeating here: OS X is not like some third party program that works for ages and you decide whether to bother to upgrade to the next version or not. It's more like modern browsers: it's evergreen and you're supposed, if your hardware supports it, to be running the latest version. Regardless of any major new features, a new version gets the security updates going forwa…

To play devil's advocate; I honestly don't see that many bugfixes in new OS releases that weren't introduced by the major release.

I think a lot of people might be much happier if they just stuck to what was installed when they bought it. You don't have to worry about performance degradations, things in the UI moving around, new bugs, etc. People complain about their phones becoming so slow and unusable they feel "forced" to upgrade. If they stuck with the version of software installed when they got it, it would perpetually perform the same. In the old days Windows was an exception to this. As you used it, it would get slower, required routine maintenance and seemed to benefit from the occasional re-install. Phone calls, e-mail, audio playback, twitter, basic browsing, and the fitness app you might use doesn't really need the latest version.

Like you mentioned, you miss out on modern security updates. The other big thing (you also mentioned) is buying a new shiny device and finding out you need a newer OS to support it.

I tend to update everything, but I'm also willing to take the time to read and debug so I know what's happening inside and out. I don't blame people for not wanting to spend that energy or deal with the hassle.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by DiabloD3 »

mbourgon wrote: post #147
DiabloD3 wrote: post #109

For non-technical users, is there a good tutorial I can point them at to disable iCloud Desktop/Document deleting? This is extremely bad behavior and I have no clue why Apple thought this was a good idea. Like, this is class action material imho. You can't just take people's files and lock them behind a paywall just because they previously opted into the paywall on a case by case basis. Edit: For those downvoting, it…

The "Optimize Mac Storage" functionality you're referring to is not enabled by default. You can manage settings for this and other storage optimization features in About this Mac -> Storage -> Manage, and System Preferences -> iCloud -> Option... (beside iCloud Drive).

Apple does not make this clear on their Sierra micro-site, and acts as if it either enables by default, or asks you with their typical confusing dialogs to enable it when low on space (which most users would get confused and click enable).

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by DiabloD3 »

josho wrote: post #146
DiabloD3 wrote: post #109

For non-technical users, is there a good tutorial I can point them at to disable iCloud Desktop/Document deleting? This is extremely bad behavior and I have no clue why Apple thought this was a good idea. Like, this is class action material imho. You can't just take people's files and lock them behind a paywall just because they previously opted into the paywall on a case by case basis. Edit: For those downvoting, it…

Can you elaborate on this? Is OSX deleting iCloud documents if you run out of space?

No, migrating files off your local HDD in Desktop and Documents to the iCloud.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by coldtea »

Nullabillity wrote: post #148
coldtea wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud? Obviously not. There was not even a chance in hell that that could even be possible.

Conceptually, any such application is just an internet-connected filesystem driver with (presumably) a local cache in front. So there's no technical reason it couldn't be pluggable, just Apple being Apple as usual.

>Conceptually, any such application is just an internet-connected filesystem driver with (presumably) a local cache in front.

If we oversimplify to death, yes.

In the real world, it's an application created on a deadline, to work on a specific backend and take advantage of its features, and to serve as a basis for future development (and to work across OS X, iOS, etc). Some of the stuff also includes tight integration with the filesystem and/or kernel -- which would be a gaping security hole to pass to third parties to play with.

>So there's no technical reason it couldn't be pluggable, just Apple being Apple as usual.

It's a for profit company being a for profit company as usual. No proprietary OS maker develops such a flagship feature as an interchangeable pluggable infrastructure to hand to competitors (Google Drive, MS equivalent, etc).

Not only it makes no sense from a competitive point of view, it would limit them technologically too, as they would need to specify entry points and APIs that they then can't change.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by lsaferite »

oneplane wrote: post #134
acdanger wrote: post #16

I'd rather see updated Mac hardware. According to MacRumors, it's been 490 days since the last MacBook Pro Retina was released.

Why? Aside from 'just because' and 'gaming' I don't really see much in the way of big beneficial improvements. Intel's CPU haven't gotten that much better since the 2nd generation core series, and aside for efficiency, you're probably not going to notice anything using a non-workstation setup.

I'm just excited to switch to using USB Type-C connectors. That's literally the only reason.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by mino »

pkamb wrote: post #60
quantumhobbit wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While they're at it, can we make paste and match style the default? I can never remember the four key chord to do this and as a result send emails that look like ransom notes because of mismatched formatting.

You can do the "paste into address bar and re-copy" dance. I'm getting pretty fast! CMD-C CMD-T CMD-V CMD-A CMD-C CMD-W CMD-V

That's exactly what I do every time, and I became unnaturally quick in this insane dance.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by pfranz »

h1d wrote: post #75
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #68

So, there's no new features that anybody asked for, save the clipboard thing, which has unfortunate security implications, and there's a ton of nonsense none of us will ever use, as the Mac platform gets increasingly complex ("the computer for the rest of us" is now anything but), moves away from Unix compatability, and doesn't do anything useful with this additional complexity, but does cause emacs to crash. I'd wai…

Funny I don't particularly find anything interesting after Snow Leopard. After Jobs left, they decided not to decide on anything and just sit on what was already there. At least they're free. Perhaps the most interesting thing these days is what kind of new name they come up with. It seems to only break apps.

Feel free to continue using Snow Leopard if you're happy with it. Here are a few things I've liked in subsequent releases (sorry if some are actually in Snow Leopard and I forgot):

  * Notifications
  * Air Drop
  * Face Time
  * Native Full Screen apps
  * Multi-touch gestures (mostly use with multi-desktop and  fullscreen apps)
  * Mac App Store (I like it better for OS updates)
  * Recovery Partition
  * App Resume
  * Terminal improvements (I stopped using iTerm)
  * Air Play mirroring
  * Notes (and syncing with phone)
  * Compressed memory
  * Full Disk encryption
  * Improved multi-monitor support
  * Spotlight improvements
A few things I'm looking forward to when I do upgrade my hardware:

  * updating while asleep
  * hi dpi monitor support

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by zeveb »

coldtea wrote: post #128
zeveb wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could always upgrade to Linux. Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else?

> Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else? Because it's 2016? What about multimedia? Or an IDE? Or my proprietary apps like Photoshop and Premiere?

> Because it's 2016?

Frankly, I find the experience of stumpwm to be far more modern and futuristic than that of macOS or Windows. They both seem very 1980s and dated in their concepts.

> What about multimedia? Or an IDE? Or my proprietary apps like Photoshop and Premiere?

Ummm, Debian plays music, videos and games just fine. Firefox plays music, videos and games just fine.

emacs is my IDE. I could also use Eclipse, IntelliJ or whatever if I enjoyed pain and suffering.

I've no desire to use Photoshop or Premiere, but if I did I'm sure I could run Wine.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by israrkhan »

nyc640 wrote: post #24
israrkhan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having I iCloud access to your clipboard is scary ( unless it is encrypted E2E). Now your data, that was otherwise not meant to go to cloud, will endup being there.

Do you have a source for that? According to this (not so definitive) source [1] it's peer to peer like the rest of the continuity features. [1] http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/23/macos-sierra-preview...

I dont know the exact implementation. But following article suggests that there is some lag due to data being exchanged with iCloud.

http://www.cnet.com/au/how-to/macos-sierras-universal-clipbo...

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by Lio »

coldtea wrote: post #138
Lio wrote: post #131

Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud? (I ask because I'm not keen on my data being exported to foreign country with very different privacy laws and I'd also like to be able to shop around without being tied to a single storage supplier).

> Does anyone know if a different storage engine can be used in place of iCloud? Obviously not. There was not even a chance in hell that that could even be possible.

Well Apple have opened APIs to third parties before.

To say they're not doing something right now is one thing, to say that they would never and could never do it for technological reasons is quite another.

NAS companies like Synology and QNAP are able to offer pluggable storage options so it seems like it should be possible from tech perspective.

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