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Re: Japanese writing system basics

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In Chinese, 'eat' is usually '吃'. We use '吃了 (le)' to say we 'ate' and '在 (zài) 吃' or '吃着 (zhě)' for 'eating'. It is really interesting that in China people often ask their friends '吃了吗? (Have you eaten?)' rather than '嗨 (Hi)' in daily life. So initially I thought this post was describing something in Chinese w/o my noticing the URL.

Same in Thai. They ask กินข้าวหรือยัง ("Have you eaten yet?", or literally "Have you eaten rice yet?") as a greeting.

Re: Japanese writing system basics

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I highly doubt that's true, based on my experience with Chinese pinyin IMEs. A Japanese phonetic IME should have enough local context to guess which Kanji is correct. You type, then go back and quickly proofread later.

It's been about 10 years, but I used the IME in Windows 2k quite extensively. http://blog.gatunka.com/img/Convert3.gif I recall this window strongly, with ~10 items in it being common. Playing with it now in OS X perhaps it's improved in recent years.

Again just talking about my experience with Chinese, but the IME guessing quality has really improved markedly over the last decade.

In fact, you can often just type initials for your entire sentence and the IME will guess correctly all the way through. It's like being able to type 'w a y u t?' and getting 'What are you up to?' filled in for you.

I'm pretty sure Chinese is even more homophonic than Japanese, which is why I'd expect the Kanji inference to work better.

Re: Japanese writing system basics

#153

In Chinese, 'eat' is usually '吃'. We use '吃了 (le)' to say we 'ate' and '在 (zài) 吃' or '吃着 (zhě)' for 'eating'. It is really interesting that in China people often ask their friends '吃了吗? (Have you eaten?)' rather than '嗨 (Hi)' in daily life. So initially I thought this post was describing something in Chinese w/o my noticing the URL.

I was taught that "Chi le ma?" was an ancient greeting. In old times when food was scarcer, asking whether someone had eaten was another way of asking about someone's general situation.

Re: Japanese writing system basics

#155

How many symbols are there? And how would the keyboard look like though?

If Japanese or Chinese speakers had invented computers before discovering the Latin alphabet, I'm guessing keyboards would have about 6 keys, one for each type of stroke. (I think that's how many types of strokes there are.). You would have stroked in each character. There are input methods that do this, but nobody uses them.

Re: Japanese writing system basics

#156

In Chinese, 'eat' is usually '吃'. We use '吃了 (le)' to say we 'ate' and '在 (zài) 吃' or '吃着 (zhě)' for 'eating'. It is really interesting that in China people often ask their friends '吃了吗? (Have you eaten?)' rather than '嗨 (Hi)' in daily life. So initially I thought this post was describing something in Chinese w/o my noticing the URL.

How do you respond? "Yes"?

Re: Japanese writing system basics

#158

In Chinese, 'eat' is usually '吃'. We use '吃了 (le)' to say we 'ate' and '在 (zài) 吃' or '吃着 (zhě)' for 'eating'. It is really interesting that in China people often ask their friends '吃了吗? (Have you eaten?)' rather than '嗨 (Hi)' in daily life. So initially I thought this post was describing something in Chinese w/o my noticing the URL.

How do you respond? "Yes"?

Typically just a restatement: 吃了。

Re: Japanese writing system basics

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Why wouldn't an "English style" (roman alphabet) style alphabet work? Romaji works just fine, albeit with the addition of a macron diacritic. Though if it really was the primary writing system, a way to notate tone accent might be necessary (My gut says no, it carries relatively little semantic weight).

It doesn't work due to the insane amount of homophones. When you are speaking with someone you have context and you can discern the meaning of what it's said. But random words or texts can change it's meaning depending of what character is used. And the tone system doesn't help as it can be seen in Chinese pinyin. For example, how many kanji can be read as 'shuu'/しゅう: http://jisho.org/search/%E3%81%97%E3%82%85%E3%81%…

There's a tongue twister in Chinese with all characters pronounced "shi".[1][2] Hmm, I don't know Japanese grammar, but if those characters are Chinese ones, you can almost write something like that with these characters. 秋收 and 修習 are legitimate words for starter.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_... [2] https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-sg/%E6%96%BD%E6%B0%8F%E9%A3%9F%E...

Re: Japanese writing system basics

#160
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Ok, thats a fun hack.

A hack for learning Japanese, or a hack for getting inadvertent upvotes? :) I seem to recall there were books that used that style of progressive foreign language learning, where they started out replacing a single word and then kept replacing more and more until, at the end, the entire story was written in the foreign language.

I would love to know about this too!
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