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Re: UK votes to leave EU

#151
post #58

What's stopping Britons from having another referendum?

It is not legally binding, so nothing. But who would take responsibility of organizing that, disregarding the opinion of the majority of the British people? And what do you suggest, having a non-binding referendum until Remain wins?

Out is out.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

#152
post #121

Yet another example that immigration policy trumps pretty well all other concerns. This has played out several times in Australia. 5% of the population suddenly voted for a nationalist candidate Pauline Hanson who came from nowhere, had no policies, no credibility and no clue just because she was against immigration. Major political parties took note that day, and since then they have in various roundabout ways adopt…

Was immigration policy the only factor driving people's votes? Do you believe that over 50% of the UK population harbors ill will towards immigrant populations? What about the democratic arguments against the European Commission or the arguments against protectionist trade barriers? To distill the entire vote into a single issue is foolish.

I think it's easy to say that immigration and underlying racism or xenophobia were the cause for the result if you don't agree with the result. Comparing 5% of Australian voters electing Pauline Hanson is a far stretch considering that one vote was a general election, the other was a referendum and one result was 5% of the population and the other is over 50%.

Anecdotes of some campaigners citing Australia's immigration policy is not a strong enough argument to refute other fundamental issues that went into people's votes and is not proof of "Yet another example that immigration policy trumps pretty well all other concerns".

Re: UK votes to leave EU

#154
Considering what parts of the UK preferred to stay and which preferred to leave, I wonder if overall the way to give the most people what they want would have been to leave the UK in the EU but have England leave the UK.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

#155

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

The largest importer of champange in the world? UK. Not per capita either... just the largest, in front of the US. The UK has a ton of money for luxuries and all kinds of things that the healthier economies of the EU desperately want access to.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

#156
post #36

You know what? Some of us are sick of regulations from Brussels, of unelected bureaucracy, of CE Marks of approval, of socialism, of rampant immigration, of refugees, of Russian prostitutes, of Polish kielbasa shops in London, of feeling like foreigners in our own land. And we might not be in the minority anymore.

Yeah, leaving the EU is totally going to unseat socialism in the UK and remove the unelected bureaucracy that Yes, Minister made so famous in the early '80s...

... and I'm not sure how Brexit will affect the Russian-ness of the UK's prostitutes, give that Russia is not part of the EU, EEC, Schengen, or even EFTA...

Re: UK votes to leave EU

#157
post #33

Populism is seen as bad by people who want centralization of power (socialists of all borders in general, as well as fascists). So if you have been fed the socialist propaganda for years when living in the EU, you assume it's bad.

Populism is seen as bad by people who think "Let's beat those guys up, not necessarily because they did something bad or deserve it, but just because we're angry and want to beat someone" is a bad idea.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

#159
post #36

You know what? Some of us are sick of regulations from Brussels, of unelected bureaucracy, of CE Marks of approval, of socialism, of rampant immigration, of refugees, of Russian prostitutes, of Polish kielbasa shops in London, of feeling like foreigners in our own land. And we might not be in the minority anymore.

> Polish kielbasa shops in London

Why do you need separate shops for kielbasa? Here in the US east coast, kielbasa is sold in normal supermarkets along with other sausages.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

#160
post #9

I have never felt less British than I do right now. :(

Can I ask why? The public spoke in completely free and democratic manner, against everything so called "experts" said. I thought this was a staple of being British?
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