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Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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>Almost no one does. That's not even remotely true. Our justice system may be severely fucked in many ways, but it's not completely nonfunctional. But we hear about the problems whenever something goes wrong. The other 99.9 percent of the time when things go smoothly we don't even notice...

Just to incorporate both of yours' points, I hope we all can agree that the CFAA is rank garbage.

Ironically the biggest supporters of the current iteration of the CFAA are those you'd least expect. The currently-extant grey area allows them to target little guys and threaten them with spectacular, life-destroying threats, while also allowing them to abuse and/or ignore the law because they know that it's very unlikely another big entity will care enough to choose to litigate the issue to a conclusion (a process which often takes the better part of the decade).

If the CFAA were not selectively enforced, the internet landscape would look very different. Search engines like Google never would've been able to exist. Who can quantify what we've lost because a big corporate interest threatened a small innovator with jail time and financial ruin if they didn't stop causing a problem for BigCorp's business, which actually turns out being a pretty good summary of Aaron's case.

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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> he was facing a punishment that could have gone to literally millions of dollars in fines and up to 35 years in prison. This is really not how the court system works. Also, by killing himself before being sentenced he kind of ruined that argument anyway.

This is really not how the court system works. Big, intimidating numbers are definitely one of the tactics used by prosecutors to coerce a plea.

And this is why we have lawyers.

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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Can you please explain why the Swartz case is a particularly good example of federal attorney misconduct?

Type "Aaron Swartz" into the search box at the bottom of any HN page to read ample arguments on either side of that question.

I've yet to see any good arguments for why this case stands out, other people have spent decades in prison due to prosecutorial misconduct.

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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MIT Failed him - spectacularly so. If they had declared that they had no wish to see him in prison and used their (considerable) influence he would be alive. Instead, this political, vindictive creature http://wgbhnews.org/post/carmen-ortiz-spotlight-under-fire and her nasty acolytes in search of a high profile "Scalp" pushed him over the edge. A terrible waste and a horrible use (misuse) of prosecutorial discretion.

>he would be alive.

How do you know?

Aaron had been talking about suicide years before this, maybe we should just blame reddit?

Edit: Why the downvotes? Fact is that we don't know why Aaron killed himself, but we do know that he had a prior history of depression and in 2007 posted what seemed very much like a suicide note.

Frankly, making claims like "If x had (not) done y he'd still be alive" and presenting them as facts is straight up disgusting.

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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I don't mind argumentative. I look back on the people who changed a bad/given situation, and they raised that hand. The true bad asses walked, or got even.

I have a question about Aaron Schwartz. Would he even be on Hacker News? Would he put up with the political correctness. Would he put up with "arse kissing"? Would he put up with a moderator who emailed him?

I say this in light of an email I received from a moderator, I believe his name was Daniel? He stated my comments were not adding to the topic, and I should just, essentially go away.

1. I was shocked HN emailed me. I don't remember giving them permission. I'm trying to remember if I even signed a TOS, or even gave up an email? I think I once left my email up to recommend a medication, but took it down the next day.

2. Anyways email me again Hacker News. It's going into a file. Why on earth would you think it's legally permissible to email me. It's considered spam--right?

3. Hell-ban me--fine, but don't ever email me. Pass it by Hacker News lawyers? I'm still in shock. I'm not sure how to handle this of it escalates. I said some pretty personal things on this board. I do not want to be outed. I just falsely trusted Hacker News.

4. Bye! Oh yea, it's turned into a cliche, but the world needs, especially now, more Aaron Schwartz's. We have too many over zealous individuals/enetites in power. Our every move is recorded. And I look around, and I'm seeing less, and less people who question authority. (bumper sticker 90's?)

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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First, Aaron was as much our country as the people who persecuted him. He cared about it; you should too. You can react two ways: 1) impotent anger or 2) stand up and continue his fight. Which will it be? Find friends and others and we can all pitch in to create a method of distributing knowledge in a way that can't be controlled. The internet makes it possible, the only thing missing is the will and the effort. Anyo…

I think projects like sci-hub are definitely a step in that direction, and the more projects that leverage the legal arbitrage and technical capabilities that exist today the better. I'd be interested in trying to help someone who lives outside of the US figure out how to come up with something similar but for all the data that is trapped behind the facebooks and the like. I did something like this before, but I got…

Sci-Hub is gone.

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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You can't say that it was wilful civil disobedience and then say that he went about it the wrong way, you contradict yourself as that's kind of the definition of civil disobedience. If you're saying that he ought not to been civilly disobedient then that's a different matter but what he did makes him a sort of modern-day hero. That he took his own life makes him a martyr in a weird kind of way. I know that hero and m…

I wonder what effective [as far as achieving an ends] civil disobedience looks like in the era when such is relegated to free speech zones? Will it look like asymmetric, guerrilla like tactics that subvert/coop mechanisms of power that make it hard to leverage garden variety lawyers?

Those are very difficult questions to answer.

I imagine that any form of non-violent civil disobedience is fair game. I imagine that collective action is always more troubling for the system because the systemic response is more challenging to orchestrate.

Some things change by themselves. We can see that marijuana is slowly transitioning from being a criminalised substance a decriminalised one. I don't partake myself but society is heading that way, that's plain to see.

Same with civil rights of all kind. Yes, it might take centuries but the arrow of equality is clearly pointing in just one way. But it does take civil disobedience and protest.

In this specific case (academic articles) I personally believe that we ought to cover the cost of storage and distribution and that's it. Because this is not a civil rights issue, more a, I don't know, societal expectation(?), a right to knowledge so that society can be improved quicker rather slower. These rent-seekers are like grit in well oiled machinery gunking up the works. I more or less think the worst form of money-making is rent-seeking.

I don't know, get creative!

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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Related: I'd run across an article some time back that discussed what it was that Aaron might have been up to by doing massive data collection of JSTOR data. Unfortunately I cannot find the article and don't recall just what it suggested.

The upshot though was that there may have been some quantitative / bulk analysis that such a corpus would have allowed or enabled, potentially turning up interesting or unusual elements of large-scale academic research.

Is this ringing bells with anyone?

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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I wanted an Aaron Swartz t-shirt so I made these graphics: For dark fabric: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fL4G1FVF-AdHhCdVU4UHhCNk0... For lighter fabric: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fL4G1FVF-AblFNYlBrWTJmems... Source Inkscape SVG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fL4G1FVF-AbHB3ZW9CZWNDVmc... Based on a photo by Sage Ross (CC BY-SA) http://ragesoss.com/blog/2013/07/12/the-use-aaron-swartz-pho... I prin…

You can upload them to redbubble.com and set your royalty to 0%.

Re: Aaron Swartz died three years ago today

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post #50

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> I know I jaywalked, and I got caught, so I pay the already predetermined fine. Why wasted tons of resources taking everything to trial and redifing the system with every case? Why punish jaywalking?

That's beside the point here, really.

Jaywalking is a textbook example of a failure of the criminal justice system. The offence was invented by the auto industry to shift liability from drivers to pedestrians. It became law through lobbying. It is highly pertinent to the Swartz case.

http://www.citylab.com/commute/2012/04/invention-jaywalking/...

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