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Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by jMyles »

simoncion wrote: post #145
jMyles wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "vaguely related" - drug laws are, simply put, the current form of jim crow. Drug laws were made for this purpose, and openly so. And it's ludicrous to say that "if it wasn't for drugs it'd be something else." So then abolish all criminal laws which prohibit common, consensual, adult behavior. But drug laws are the whale here, not anything else.

> And it's ludicrous to say that "if it wasn't for drugs it'd be something else." When you've a police force that's planting evidence on marks, that knows about the planted evidence and chooses to cover it up, that has a DA that knows about the planted evidence and chooses to prosecute these cases anyway, and a system that chooses to promote those involved in the conspiracy to high office, then yes... if it wasn't dr…

You are missing the central point here:

You can't have "something else" unless there are "crimes" which don't require victims. That's the only reason that planting evidence is even possible in most cases.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by GigabyteCoin »

toephu2 wrote: post #55
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opinion: 1) Police are corrupt. Maybe not all of them, but enough of them that "police are corrupt" is true. This will always be the case. Police don't fight crime, nor prevent it. They create it. If you think this isn't so you haven't had enough exposure to them. Maybe my opinion is coloured by my experience: illegal search of person, car, and house. They ransacked my house, stole money and property from me. It took…

just curious, what race are you and what country do you live in?

That's one of the beautiful things about the Internet. You don't need to know (or even think about) the answer to those questions in order to have a civil discussion.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by jMyles »

jlarocco wrote: post #120
jMyles wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Downvote me all you want: it won't change the facts. I downvoted you because you are simply incorrect about the facts. Black people make up 12% of the US population, and use illicit drugs at approximately a proportionate rate. Yet, black people make up more than half of the prison population of drug offenders, and nearly two thirds of those under any form of criminal supervision for drug offenses. Why are you sayin…

Without providing a reference backing up your second sentence your claim is no more believable than the OP's. The reason I mention it is that on average black people tend to be poorer and live in worse neighborhoods, and poor people in bad neighborhoods (of all races) tend to do more drugs. So my expectation would be black people tend to do more drugs than white people, but I still doubt it's enough of a difference t…

> poor people in bad neighborhoods (of all races) tend to do more drugs

This is not true. This matter has been thoroughly studied - have you a source to back up this claim?

Even though the drugs that are often consumed in poor neighborhoods are more likely to be criminalized, they are still used at comparable (and sometimes higher) rates in affluent neighborhoods (along with many other drugs in configurations that aren't prohibited).

I don't understand what you are asking me to source - you are the one making the claim.

Here's an easy read that lays this stuff out plainly (I already linked it from my other comment, below):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-farbota/black-crime-rates-...

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by marcusgarvey »

hackuser wrote: post #8

It seems like there is a smoking gun in this case (though I didn't review the evidence thoroughly). Widespread availability of video recording and distribution has provided many more smoking guns. Certainly, there are many more incidents where no smoking gun evidence is available. For a long time, black Americans have been claiming that such things happen and were widely ignored or disbelieved. It was and is a grave…

>1) Why did our society make this error?

Because America was, and is, racist.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by KirinDave »

jMyles wrote: post #151
simoncion wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And it's ludicrous to say that "if it wasn't for drugs it'd be something else." When you've a police force that's planting evidence on marks, that knows about the planted evidence and chooses to cover it up, that has a DA that knows about the planted evidence and chooses to prosecute these cases anyway, and a system that chooses to promote those involved in the conspiracy to high office, then yes... if it wasn't dr…

You are missing the central point here: You can't have "something else" unless there are "crimes" which don't require victims. That's the only reason that planting evidence is even possible in most cases.

Well, I guess if you're hell bent on erasing the victims of this horrible conspiracy so as to make an argument for greater latitude in recreational pharmaceutical use... Congratulations.

This is like "all lives matter." The idea that black people were victimized because there exists a crime to pin to them seems to me like you're changing the subject away from the humans whose lives are stolen by long term prison time, or from the terrifying treason against the American people this agency committed.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by simoncion »

jMyles wrote: post #151
simoncion wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And it's ludicrous to say that "if it wasn't for drugs it'd be something else." When you've a police force that's planting evidence on marks, that knows about the planted evidence and chooses to cover it up, that has a DA that knows about the planted evidence and chooses to prosecute these cases anyway, and a system that chooses to promote those involved in the conspiracy to high office, then yes... if it wasn't dr…

You are missing the central point here: You can't have "something else" unless there are "crimes" which don't require victims. That's the only reason that planting evidence is even possible in most cases.

> That's the only reason that planting evidence is even possible in most cases.

Are you honestly saying that -given everything we probably know about this case and the extent to which people in power were involved and actively worked to support it, cover it up, and promote those involved to even higher positions of power- fabrication of complaints and testimony would be impossible?

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by fencepost »

(reposting a comment I put elsewhere with direct links to exhibit documents)

The Internet Wayback Machine has it from today

Archive.org has https://web.archive.org/web/20151202021559/http://henrycount... , this is just one of the versions they picked up today.

The article links to a variety of scanned documents hosted elsewhere, which look like excerpts from a full document dump. Exhibits 8 & 9 do not appear to be linked from the Henry County Report page.

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144475/dothan-police-depar...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144476/dothan-police-depar...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144477/dothan-police-dept-...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144478/dothan-police-dept-...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144479/dothan-police-dept-...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144480/dothan-police-dept-...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144481/dothan-police-dept-...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144482/dothan-police-chief...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144483/dothan-police-chief...

https://www.hashdoc.com/documents/144490/dothan-police-offic...

(edit: note that the documents numbered 144484-144489 are unrelated, mostly Italian?)

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by dragonwriter »

anonymous4 wrote: post #95
dragonwriter wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For instance, since when does JHU Applied Physics Laboratory run polygraph tests? There's no indication that JHU APL ran the tests, just they are identified in the copyright notice for the software providing the test results. A quick Googling reveals that JHU APL is a fairly significant developer of polygraph-related technology, so this isn't at all surprising.

These police officers are probably as guilty as sin. But the fact that their accusers have used the polygraph against them reduces the credibility of the evidence against the corrupt police. Polygraphs are junk science.

The use of a polygraph doesn't reduce the credibility of any other evidence.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by thaumasiotes »

jessaustin wrote: post #123
thaumasiotes wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why did our society make this error? > How do we prevent making the same mistake in the future, regarding other issues? > About what issues are we making the same mistake right now? - Drugs are a classic victimless crime; prosecutions tend not to be motivated by someone filing a complaint. Rather, it is the responsibility of the police to detect the crime and mete out punishment as they see fit. - Society has rewar…

...at root an issue of social class rather than race directly. I agree with much of the rest of your comment, and in the past I would have agreed with this as well. However, police are not inherent to the human condition. (We haven't always had police, and with luck we'll be rid of them soonish.) When police were created, it was largely for basically racist purposes, even if the "races" under consideration in many lo…

> When police were created, it was largely for basically racist purposes, even if the "races" under consideration in many locales were "Irish" and "Italian".

Ok, but I think this is a reflection of different races falling en masse into different social classes. If you're in Italy and your city has natives, gypsies, african laborers, jews, and persian merchants (note: stylized example, not necessarily reflective of any historical events), I'd expect the police might be called into being as a defense (or, depending on your perspective, offense) against the gypsies and africans, while at the same time people largely didn't care about the jews and persians (from a policing perspective). They'd be dealt with more by the taxing authorities.

If the police were an expression of racism, I'd expect something different.

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