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Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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bpchaps wrote: post #73
datashovel wrote: post #32

Keep the leaks coming world! The joke is that anyone who is truly qualified to run for office doesn't want the job. I hope that the more leaks like this that come out, more qualified people will realize they can't just stand by idly thinking the system will just fix itself. I imagine Snowden leaks alone have gotten far more "qualified" people engaged in civic activities than we'll ever truly comprehend, and have take…

Reminds me of Isaac Asimov's "Franchise", where multivac picks and legally requires a regular family man to run in in an "electronic election" for US president. Highly recommended short story! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_(short_story)

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Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by zaroth »

Frondo wrote: post #27
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opinion: 1) Police are corrupt. Maybe not all of them, but enough of them that "police are corrupt" is true. This will always be the case. Police don't fight crime, nor prevent it. They create it. If you think this isn't so you haven't had enough exposure to them. Maybe my opinion is coloured by my experience: illegal search of person, car, and house. They ransacked my house, stole money and property from me. It took…

A lot of police are corrupt, and there is an absolute ton of racism in this country so we believe it when the cop tells a lie that implicates a black guy. Not racist like we're out in klan hoods on the weekend, and it's definitely not like we're consciously choosing to be racist--this is just lifetimes of unexamined biases, media information, etc. We have these little biases that tell us not to trust the black guy's…

Personally, I don't believe a single damn word out of a police officer's mouth. Particularly so if they are under oath. It has nothing to do with race, I don't care who the defendant is.

They say the least reliable form of testimony is eyewitness accounts. Actually, I think the police have the eyewitness beat on this account. Too bad I've never had jury duty, and even if I did I'd probably be dismissed, so unfortunately I'll never get my chance as one of the 12 angry jurists to apply this in practice.

It seems like there are more and more like-minded people who will outright dismiss the grand-standing Detective and insist on just the facts please. Show me actual proof because your word is truly worthless.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by jessaustin »

taurath wrote: post #40
hackuser wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its not in any cops's interest to have all their actions even in the heat of the moment put under a microscope. Honest police may feel it's in their interest. It protects them from false accusations, and from leal and reputational consequences of being associated with dishonest associates. Being honest, they might also want to see dishonest, criminal actions stopped and punished.

To play devil's advocate: if I were the most decent nicest cop in the world I could see why I wouldn't want my every word and action on camera. It'd severely limit things I could say in confidence to anyone, and if I were say speaking to a victim of a crime its difficult to comfort people with a camera in their face. I'd be worried to being reduced to essentially the role of a call-center employee with every interact…

These concerns are spurious. You describe situations in which most cops, "nice" or not, would simply turn the camera off. Other situations include using the restroom or making personal phone calls. No one ever said the camera had to be on all the time; how would that even be enforced?

The camera should be on in any situation that might later be a subject of dispute. If it's off in such a situation, the courts should consider that a reason to disbelieve the cop who turned it off. A cop who doesn't possess the judgement to operate a camera, probably doesn't possess the judgement to carry a firearm either.

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Post by anonymous4 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #17
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> For instance, since when does JHU Applied Physics Laboratory run polygraph tests? There's no indication that JHU APL ran the tests, just they are identified in the copyright notice for the software providing the test results. A quick Googling reveals that JHU APL is a fairly significant developer of polygraph-related technology, so this isn't at all surprising.

These police officers are probably as guilty as sin. But the fact that their accusers have used the polygraph against them reduces the credibility of the evidence against the corrupt police. Polygraphs are junk science.

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Post by anonymous4 »

mintplant wrote: post #12
[deleted] wrote: post #10

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> Once the examiner has an adequate series of charts to evaluate, he will begin the scoring process. This is done most often using a numerical scoring method which evaluates the subject's physiological responses to the Relevant and Control questions. The computer polygraph may also use an algorithm developed by the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory or other researchers to score the examination. The…

These police officers are probably as guilty as sin. But the fact that their accusers have used the polygraph against them reduces the credibility of the evidence against the corrupt police. Polygraphs are junk science.

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by jessaustin »

jbuzbee wrote: post #86
cryoshon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police also stole more from people via asset forfeiture than actual burglars did last year. They are criminals.

While I agree that the police have a history of horrific abuse of asset forfeiture laws, this oft-quoted event doesn't tell the whole story. The 2104 numbers were skewed greatly based on a proper $1.7 Billion forfeiture from Bernie Madoff. Most of this money went back to his victims: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-...

So the numbers for police and burglars are "really" about the same, rather than the police exceeding the burglars by over a billion? Whew! What a weight off the mind! TIL there's nothing to worry about with forfeiture...

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by drauh »

jrs235 wrote: post #29
hackuser wrote: post #8

It seems like there is a smoking gun in this case (though I didn't review the evidence thoroughly). Widespread availability of video recording and distribution has provided many more smoking guns. Certainly, there are many more incidents where no smoking gun evidence is available. For a long time, black Americans have been claiming that such things happen and were widely ignored or disbelieved. It was and is a grave…

I propose that if an officer is caught planting evidence or government official is caught covering up such acts and found guilty that the officer or official will serve twice and amount of time and twice any monetary amount the wronged served. And follow the drug war policy of mandatory sentences so no judge can reduce the sentence. For examole if these guys planted evidence that resulted in 10 guys behind bars, each…

Good luck with that:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/opinion/cover-up-in-chicag...

Re: Leaked Documents Reveal Police Department Planted Drugs for Years, DA Complicit

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Post by anvil_jones »

What is the Alabama Justice Project. 99% reliability on a POLYGRAPH test?

I wish I could read more of the article since it seems to be down and google webcache isn't the best. How come none of these cases have been covered by any other organization? Wouldn't a pending lawsuit against the police organization be news?

Surely there is corruption/racism in the police department. But is this article valid?

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Post by simoncion »

rewqfdsa wrote: post #28

> black Americans have been claiming that such things happen and were widely ignored or disbelieved Black Americans commit a wildly disproportionate amount of crime. Black men make up 1 million out of 2.3 million people in prison. 4.7% of all black men* are in prison. A black man has a 70% chance of being in prison at some point in his life. Are you suggesting the police are framing all of these people? While police…

> I can understand how repeated interaction with a recalcitrant criminal element could harden and corrupt a police officer.

If a job is hard and hardening, and the job requires you to behave fairly, sensibly, and rationally, then a reasonable employer will often and regularly check to ensure that the job hasn't damaged the employee in such a way as to render them useless or ineffective.

One common way to handle this sort of thing is to proactively rotate employees in and out of the stressful portions of the job.

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