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OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by voaie »

darek wrote: post #149
filsmick wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you use instead? You navigate exclusively from your terminal?

On Windows I've been using Total Commander for 15 years or more. There's nothing like it on Mac, and I've tried them all. But there's this new app, Files ( http://filesmanager.info/ ), which is being actively developed and gaining features fast. I've been using it for some time now I'm liking it more and more. The developer behind it is very responsive and skilled and it seems to be going in a great direction. There'…

Thanks, the free lite version is definitely enough for me! (although there may be other unexpected ways to generated the .DS_Store files)

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by emsy »

S_A_P wrote: post #79
x0rg wrote: post #66

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Wait, feeling that this update is better is OK, but I don't really understand how formatting could improve thing is such a significant way.

perception is reality. I've no doubt there are cases that upgrade in place doesnt work as well as fresh install, but I am skeptical that there is dramatic demonstrable differences between the two most of the time.

Basically this. Yosemite was just such a very poor user experience.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by coldtea »

rndn wrote: post #150
coldtea wrote: post #112

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> I don't know how anybody can look at the bugs and fixes that continually plague .0 versions of Apple's OS software across their devices and jump at the chance to try it out. Quite simply because I've never once been bitten by them -- with the exception of some haxies not working. > I'm old enough to remember when Apple's OS was mostly rock-solid. When was that? Because I remember Mac OS (pre X) beeing anything but…

Then lets steelman this point of critique: Why doesn't Apple keep their OSes in beta for a couple of months more to release something that is really stable? Is the sample size of beta testers really too small? I doubt 6 months or so later would be a big disadvantage to the competition, quite the contrary, I think releasing more stable 1.0s could be a considerable advantage.

>Why doesn't Apple keep their OSes in beta for a couple of months more to release something that is really stable?

First, because a lot of those bugs you only find in real-life bizarro setups, and beta testers are not enough. Besides not all beta testers actually help with bug reports -- some programmers just test their own software, others just want to play with the latest OS, etc.

Second, because not all of those bugs will be fixed even if a beta tester finds them. There will be a cost-benefit (opportunity cost) analysis, and some might need extensive changes to some subsystems, and only get fixed with the X.2 or even X.4 or X.5 release, half a year or more later.

Third, because there will always be bugs, and at some point you need to release.

Fourth, because OS releases usually also enable or leverage several new hardware features in Macs and iOS devices. Delaying the OS would mean delaying those hardware units, or putting them out with the old OS and no way to use some new advanced hardware stuff they are advertised with (stuff like Bluetooth 4 back in the day, Retina support, or something similar).

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by pkaye »

pkaye wrote: post #34

I'm eager to upgrade so is this a fairly safe upgrade or are there kinks that need to be worked out?

So I tried it out last night. Overall things seem much more snappy though that is just a qualitative observation. Not much cosmetic changes. No WiFi issues no far!

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by nsxwolf »

makecheck wrote: post #129
pkaye wrote: post #34

I'm eager to upgrade so is this a fairly safe upgrade or are there kinks that need to be worked out?

So far it seems OK. My /usr/local was preserved and restored automatically (mine was about 250 MB and the whole OS installation took about half an hour). The split-screen view hasn't been fully-thought-through though. I would say almost everything I tried didn't do what I would have expected. There is a way for a window to end up on a space where the menu bar no longer has menus. There's even a mode where almost ever…

I wish they'd implemented a full tiled window manager. I'd really like to have at least 3 windows in the split view.

At the very least, an option to stack top and bottom instead of side by side would have been nice.

Seems like they want it to be congruent with how it works in iOS 9 on the iPad, so I don't hold out any hope. Maybe someone will figure out how to hack it.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by itistoday2 »

eridius wrote: post #148
itistoday2 wrote: post #136

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> Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? No, it doesn't, but what does bother me are the gigabyte+ apps that, like Game Center, Apple does not allow users to remove (without jumping through hoops that are probably both scary and technically challenging for most users). Are you an Apple fan? Because I am (or was). I've been with Apple since the OS 7 days. This lack of attention to detail is very uncharacteri…

What GB+ apps ship on the system that you think are appropriate to delete?

My apologies, I was mistaken. I had in mind apps like iMovie since, like Game Center, it's an app that Apple installs by default.

On 10.11, there are many apps that are not deleteable, but all of them seem to be under a gig (unless I'm missing something because I had, long ago, deleted an app and the OS update didn't restore it).

These include: Game Center, iBooks, Safari, iTunes, Photos, Contacts, Maps, Automator, Font Book, Dictionary, Notes, FaceTime, Chess, Reminders, Photo Booth, and perhaps a few other small-ish apps. These are less than 1 gig. I don't know why Apple did not choose to simply make whatever is so vital in the app bundle a system framework instead.

It's not a big deal to me if these small apps are non-deleteable. I assumed—incorrectly—that the big ones (iMovie, Garage Band, etc.) were non-deleteable as well.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by itistoday2 »

eridius wrote: post #147
itistoday2 wrote: post #123

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> Everything that ships on the system should be protected. No. Not Game Center.app. Grand parent is right, this is bloatware that neither he, nor I, nor many others want. If I wanted a bloatware Windows box I would have bought one. There's no excuse for making this app non-removable.

How incredibly arrogant of you to declare this about a tiny <3MB app just because you personally don't use it. Your personal preferences are not the arbiter of what is and is not useful, and this app provides the sole interface to a system component (GameKit) so it is entirely appropriate to ship on the system. And declaring this minuscule app "bloatware" is so laughable as to be almost insulting, because it's clear…

I replied to both this and your other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10330386

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by voaie »

voaie wrote: post #151
darek wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Windows I've been using Total Commander for 15 years or more. There's nothing like it on Mac, and I've tried them all. But there's this new app, Files ( http://filesmanager.info/ ), which is being actively developed and gaining features fast. I've been using it for some time now I'm liking it more and more. The developer behind it is very responsive and skilled and it seems to be going in a great direction. There'…

Thanks, the free lite version is definitely enough for me! (although there may be other unexpected ways to generated the .DS_Store files)

But finally I just use clean.sh when necessary. :P
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