Tmux has left SourceForge • Hacker News Board

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by neckro23 » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 3:52 PM UTC

edge17 wrote: post #7

SwellJoe wrote: post #5

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Our Webmin website, mailing lists, downloads, and a few other things are still running on SourceForge, for the time being. (I guess it counts as "big", with 3+ million downloads a year, it has always been a top-ten project in its category at SF.net.) We moved revision control to github several years ago. We just haven't had time lately to figure out what to do about the SF.net malware situation, but I can't imagine w…

I got malware in the installer for Filezilla on my Mac. They shove malware in all sorts of non-windows stuff these days...

Not to victim-blame here, but the fact that there's even an "installer" should be a huge red flag. There's no reason a simple FTP program can't be just an .app bundle.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by briandear » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:13 PM UTC

thefreeman wrote: post #137

artursapek wrote: post #130

I see SourceForge as being to code hosting platforms as GoDaddy is to domain registrars. They both started in the late 90s, exploded, and suffered from their success. They became infested with bad management, became bloated and difficult to use, and employed skeezy money-making tactics. GoDaddy doesn't seem to be in trouble the way SourceForge is, though.

Honestly, I don't see how they aren't in trouble yet. With how long GoDaddy has been around, and how dominant they are in terms of "casual" domain owners, it blew me away when I saw that they have yet to be profitable a single year.

However Amazon isn't profitable either -- never has been.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by celias » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:15 PM UTC

japhyr wrote: post #17

smaili wrote: post #3

Are there any big projects still using SourceForge? I know "big" is a little subjective here, but it seems like most active projects have already migrated.

I think NumPy still uses SourceForge.

and github - https://github.com/numpy/numpy

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by merb » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:19 PM UTC

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #80

merb wrote: post #28

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You should start using Cyberduck, it has a Free Client which pops up a window once you installed the free version (but the popup appears only ONCE and does not contain any malware or advertisments), and a paid version without a popup.

Actually, by default, the popup appears every time you close the app, but there's a clear option to suppress it on subsequent occasions for 'this version'. I've never selected that option, so I'm not sure how fine-grained 'version' is; I actually like seeing the reminder because I will, definitely, one day, make a donation, so I appreciate the prompt!

still it only advertises itself, not any other software. that's why i would definitly trust cyberduck.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by ashkulz » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:21 PM UTC

spdionis wrote: post #58

boundlessdreamz wrote: post #48

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Not wkhtmltopdf - It is on github and has been for some time. https://github.com/wkhtmltopdf/wkhtmltopdf It was never on sourceforge as far as I know. It was in Google Code and then later github

Except that the download links on wkhtmltopdf.org send you on Sourceforge...

That will be changing in the near future. Still undecided about where the downloads will be hosted, though.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by ashkulz » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:24 PM UTC

lvillani wrote: post #26

Tehnix wrote: post #20

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Aren't they on github? https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew

They used to use SourceForge to distribute bottles (binaries), but have switched to Bintray a while ago.

Do you know anyone else who uses bintray? I'm considering hosting downloads for the open source projects I maintain with them, but never heard of it much before.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by thefreeman » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:26 PM UTC

briandear wrote: post #142

thefreeman wrote: post #137

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Honestly, I don't see how they aren't in trouble yet. With how long GoDaddy has been around, and how dominant they are in terms of "casual" domain owners, it blew me away when I saw that they have yet to be profitable a single year.

However Amazon isn't profitable either -- never has been.

True, however Amazon has been constantly investing in new warehouses, infrastructure, adding new products, expanding their current offerings, etc.

I can't think of a single unique or new thing GoDaddy has done in the past 10 years.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by kbenson » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:32 PM UTC

logicallee wrote: post #135

DanBC wrote: post #81

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You say it's a great screen, unambiguous, very clear. But you then say: > EDIT: I didn't even notice, there is even grey small text that spells this out in completely unambiguous words! (Thank you for considering this offer from our advertiser...your choice does not affect installation of FileZilla.) Doesn't the fact that you didn't notice it make you at least pause? I am ad tolerant. I do not run an ad blocker. If a…

I mean I didn't have to notice, because I didn't have to get that far. I didn't read the rest of the bullet points either. It was just totally unambiguous to me, probably thanks to the giant picture. I should clarify that I was only referring to this screenshot - https://i.imgur.com/hNDdz4P.png - the other one is worse but I didn't notice ggp had an album of two (unless they changed it.) without the picture it would…

I think people are upset about this not just because extra software is being requested to be installed during the desired installation (it's not just an ad, it's an embedded installer), and not just because SF is trading in on their past reputation, but also because of the type of software that is being installed. Malware is too strong a term for it, it's possibly adware, but definitely junkware. It's software that purports to "make your system run faster" and the methods it goes about to accomplish this may actually make it run slower (clearing the system cache) or even cause corruption (clearing the system cache incorrectly). The software may actually cause problems on your computer while making unsubstantiated claims of helping it.

To be clear, I personally wouldn't mind advertising and installing software from an installer if some minimum criteria were met:

1. The software being advertised was actually checked by someone to confirm it had some use, and was not in fact detrimental to the users.

2. The accept/install button was not put in place of the button that moves the install process along normally.

3. A separate installer window was launched to make it obvious what was happening. No quiet background installs allowed.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by wtbob » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:35 PM UTC

artursapek wrote: post #130

I see SourceForge as being to code hosting platforms as GoDaddy is to domain registrars. They both started in the late 90s, exploded, and suffered from their success. They became infested with bad management, became bloated and difficult to use, and employed skeezy money-making tactics. GoDaddy doesn't seem to be in trouble the way SourceForge is, though.

As a customer of both GoDaddy and Namecheap, I have to say that GoDaddy offers a much better, more full-featured DNS control panel. Frankly, I can't see staying with Namecheap.

I really don't get the hate for GoDaddy. SourceForge, OTOH, are reprehensible.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

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Post by jbob2000 » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 4:38 PM UTC

wtbob wrote: post #149

artursapek wrote: post #130

I see SourceForge as being to code hosting platforms as GoDaddy is to domain registrars. They both started in the late 90s, exploded, and suffered from their success. They became infested with bad management, became bloated and difficult to use, and employed skeezy money-making tactics. GoDaddy doesn't seem to be in trouble the way SourceForge is, though.

As a customer of both GoDaddy and Namecheap, I have to say that GoDaddy offers a much better, more full-featured DNS control panel. Frankly, I can't see staying with Namecheap. I really don't get the hate for GoDaddy. SourceForge, OTOH, are reprehensible.

The biggest issue with GoDaddy was their old dickhole CEO, Bob Parsons. What a piece of trash that guy was. Their new CEO, Blake Irving, is much more forward thinking.