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A Natural A/B Test of Harassment

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Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment

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Wow, Twitter allows this content on their network?

Obviously not. The account was deleted and banned shortly after the tweets were made. Note that that screenshot was taken about 3 minutes after the account was created. It's basically just Internet trolls registering Twitter accounts behind proxies and saying the edgiest things they can think of to stir the pot.

Perhaps Twitter needs a probationary period for new accounts from suspicious IP blocks, and some content moderation at that time.

High profile accounts could opt in to this moderation for tweets that @them or DM them.or whatever.

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Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra under pressure from these people, some women independent game developers have "ragequit"(read: harassed beyond belief so did the only logical thing) from twitter and the like. It's violent if you follow the independent games scene These are also the same group of people who forced Phil Fish off the internet, basically.

Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra because they directly insulted a customer group that is very important to their brand. Intel didn't cave under pressure, they simply acted rationally to a media outlet committing brand suicide. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_t... Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass with an ego to rival that of Kanye West who figh…

I'll down vote you for dragging reddit into this for no reason.

Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment

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Hrmm looks like someone needs to make some sort of filter that parses tweets and messages for insults and removes them.

It would be nice if HN talked more about technical and other ways to solve the actual problems here, and less repeating the same insults at each other over and over again.

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Another racist man says "hey black person, your opinions are invalid because you've internalized racism. Please, let me, a liberal white man, speak for you."

What you fail to see, implied under your comment, is that in any situation where it's up to the white people to decide who's the Uncle Tom, that fact itself is racism, in the metagame of the discussion itself, staring you in the face.

Actually you and the parent are saying the same thing:

White people determining what constitutes white privilege leads to white people conveniently missing their own blind spots.

Similarly: How come we see requests for devs to go out and ask females what their experiences and comfort are on online, but we don't the same for blacks and Muslims* ?

Originally, third wave feminism addressed this, pointing out addressing only female inequalities was unfair, but they've been getingt shouted down over the last decade.

Black people are receiving tons of death threats, at least one of them followed up by an actual death [3]:

[1] http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/dr-phillip-goudeaux-sacrame...

[2] http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/black_hillary_support...

[3] http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2013/01/blax-new...

[4] http://aapov.blogspot.com/2010/07/freepointes-african-americ...

Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment

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It's weird to see the term "sjw" used by someone who isn't a repellant fuckwit. It's been a reliable flag -at least on HN- so far. That's something you might want to be aware of.

I'd gotten the impression they and their supporters had started to self-identify with the term.

I believe the speed of communication, gratis internet, has exceeded the speed at which a population can agree on the meaning of terms.

Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment

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post #88

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Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra under pressure from these people, some women independent game developers have "ragequit"(read: harassed beyond belief so did the only logical thing) from twitter and the like. It's violent if you follow the independent games scene These are also the same group of people who forced Phil Fish off the internet, basically.

Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra because they directly insulted a customer group that is very important to their brand. Intel didn't cave under pressure, they simply acted rationally to a media outlet committing brand suicide. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_t... Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass with an ego to rival that of Kanye West who figh…

> Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass

So he totally deserved what was coming to him when GamerGate leaked his bank details and social security number to the public!

Even if someone is an asshole that doesn't legitimize harming them. This is exactly what is wrong with Gamergate.

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Obviously not. The account was deleted and banned shortly after the tweets were made. Note that that screenshot was taken about 3 minutes after the account was created. It's basically just Internet trolls registering Twitter accounts behind proxies and saying the edgiest things they can think of to stir the pot.

"It's just trolls" is a mixture of monstering (it's them not us) and trivializing. This is misogynist male supremacist terrorism. Twittering threats of violent sexual assault is like phoning in bomb threats - even if you don't have any explosives, the communication itself is an attack.

Don't call it terrorism. We don't give time to terrorists, ignoring them is the best solution; giving them more attention, yelling loudly for them to stop, and attacking them in retaliation are what terrorists want you to do.

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I'm really sorry you had to (and still have to) deal with that kind of harassment and threatening behavior. The only question I'm left with is what can I do as an individual to help curtail it? I almost never see this behavior myself (presumably because bad actors intentionally hide their behavior) in real life so it's hard for me to call it out directly. How can I help out people that are being harassed in this way?…

My husband spends practically 24/7 around me as he works next to me, but he still rarely sees that behavior directly or aimed at me until I copypaste/screenshot/link it to him. And I get a lot of direct and indirect bs in general that some people would have mental breakdowns over, mainly cause I help moderate /r/twoxchromosomes and I help with a yearly event or two for women in tech. All he hears until I bring it up…

>I help moderate /r/twoxchromosomes

So the sexism definitely existed before you entered this position, but maybe the fact that you've exposed yourself is why you receive so much vitriol?

Look at Obama, do you think all the racism directed at him would have ever been as prominent if he stayed a Senator or a Chicago Lawyer?

People in positions of power always have their detractors. Could you provide some anecdotes of people attacking the normal users of twoxchromosomes seeing as you've probably dealt with quite a few.

Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment

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Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra because they directly insulted a customer group that is very important to their brand. Intel didn't cave under pressure, they simply acted rationally to a media outlet committing brand suicide. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_t... Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass with an ego to rival that of Kanye West who figh…

> Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass So he totally deserved what was coming to him when GamerGate leaked his bank details and social security number to the public! Even if someone is an asshole that doesn't legitimize harming them. This is exactly what is wrong with Gamergate.

I didn't know about that, and I agree, no one deserves to be "doxed." By "forced off the internet," I thought the GP was referring to Phil Fish's regular practice of throwing temper tantrums and "cancelling Fez 2" or "leaving the industry" every other week.

I think the vast majority of GamerGate supporters would agree with me about that; I check up on GG threads every day, and it's pretty clear that no one supports harming people. In fact, almost no one ever brings doxing up. On the rare occasion someone does, they're called an idiot, accused of "false flagging" (ie someone anti-GG pretending to support GG with threats of violence to make the movement look bad. yes, this has happened, people have been caught making violent comments just to take a screenshot that "proves" how evil GG is), and their posts are deleted pretty quickly. 99% of the focus now is on contacting advertisers and showing people all of the horrible things that the "journalists" in question say and do (like "nerds should be constantly shamed and degraded into submission. bring back bullying"). When someone actually does get doxed, the overwhelming reaction is not "fuck yeah, patriarchy" but "what the hell are you doing, idiot?"

The current suspicion is that GNAA (you know, the people that were in the news semi-recently for harassing Kathy Sierra) is behind most of the death threats and doxing. It's like a "double troll" for wackjobs like them: They get an excuse to harass people while another group takes all the flak for it. Everyone's mad!

But hey, that's just my two cents. You can bring on the downvotes now, echo chamber.

Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment

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I'm commenting to register my frustration with what I call the "harm reductionism fallacy". At it's most extreme point, it can be parodied to something like "You have no right to complain about a problem in your privileged life because people are starving in $COUNTRY" In all it's forms, it's a sort of ridicule directed towards people trying to make their lives better. I believe people have the right to complain about…

You can be concerned about ethics in game journalism and try to do something about it even though other injustices exist, by my book at least. But the gamergate tag has been effectively taken over by the misogynists and haters. That may not be fair, but it's a fact. If people in the first group continue to use that umbrella they are aiding the people in the second group. Again, not fair, but that's the way it is.

It's incredibly unfair because the members of gamergate that aren't spewing misogyny and hate can't really start another movement, that movement would just be taken over by the same people they are trying to distance themselves from. So they can't distance themselves from the hate and their movement is being attacked because of the hate coming from these interlopers and Gawker/The Media is going to just continue to inflame the haters.

How are people supposed to get anything done?

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