Hi, mods: Look at this thread. What does it mean for the appropriateness of "GamerGate" on Hacker News?
A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
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Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#82I thought better of HN before this. It looks like if you don't toe the line you get downvoted and your comments get [killed].
I find this very unfortunate to be honest. Instead of allowing dissent, the people here are actively deleting speech that they disagree with. Imagine if a conservative professor at Stanford silenced supporters of Edward Snowden.
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#83Disclaimer: I agree there is a real social problem here. The rest of this message is solely about statistics (inspired by the language of statistics used in the article, like "A/B Test," "statistical significance," and "99.9% confidence level"). The article opens with an analysis of messages to one male and one (self-selected) female from a community which has a large male majority. Most people in the world are heter…
I think the question here is "will gamers harass men or women more". In this case you want your community to be representative of the community at large, so this gender imbalance makes sense.
Your point makes sense, but seems irrelevant to the discussion here.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are the stated reasons. It's worth noting no such review was ever written for Zoe Quinn's game. GamerGate has now doxxed and threatened a number of women in the gaming world (developers, critics, actresses) and Phil Fish the creator of Fez. They publicly organize to drive advertisers away from publications which disagree with them or call Gamergate out as misogynistic or threatening.
The thing that confuses me (as a non-"Gamer" netizen) is that I am constantly bombarded with the "meta' arguing and hand-wringing about "GamerGate" on HN etc, but have yet to see anything actually from the core activity of the "movement" or whatever.
That's because it's largely a tempest in a teacup happening in a smaller corner of online culture, but various people who overlap between the two are trying to play up its importance for various political reasons.
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#85> It’s pretty easy to look at these messages and see young males acting out in hopes of attention. But what societal and psychological dynamic is at play that they target a female at such a disproportionate rate to a male? Could be a million things. How about testosterone, the sexualization of just about everything online and on TV, and the courage brought on by anonymity on the internet? Of course, asking what "soci…
Gamergate claims to be about journalistic integrity. I hear the names of women, but never the male journalists. > Maybe, but let's not forget what incident started Gamergate: Zoe Quinn; an entitled, unethical, and hypocritical developer (female or otherwise). You're spreading the same lies.
>I hear the names of women, but never the male journalists.
How about these guys?
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed...
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/21/GameJou...
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/18/The-ema...
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/10/GameJou...
Or these people, that blacklisted a writer from the industry?
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-destructo...
Or these lovely characters?
http://gamergate.giz.moe/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Gawker-B...
http://gamergate.giz.moe/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Bring-ba...
Re: A Natural A/B Test of Harassment
#86Hrmm looks like someone needs to make some sort of filter that parses tweets and messages for insults and removes them.
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#87Disclaimer: I agree there is a real social problem here. The rest of this message is solely about statistics (inspired by the language of statistics used in the article, like "A/B Test," "statistical significance," and "99.9% confidence level"). The article opens with an analysis of messages to one male and one (self-selected) female from a community which has a large male majority. Most people in the world are heter…
That's good statistics, and probably explains generic nastygram data quite well. However, my non-data-backed bet is that males are much more likely to send sexually harassing messages than females, so even in an environment with 50% males and 50% females, females will get much more sexual nastygrams than males.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are the stated reasons. It's worth noting no such review was ever written for Zoe Quinn's game. GamerGate has now doxxed and threatened a number of women in the gaming world (developers, critics, actresses) and Phil Fish the creator of Fez. They publicly organize to drive advertisers away from publications which disagree with them or call Gamergate out as misogynistic or threatening.
The thing that confuses me (as a non-"Gamer" netizen) is that I am constantly bombarded with the "meta' arguing and hand-wringing about "GamerGate" on HN etc, but have yet to see anything actually from the core activity of the "movement" or whatever.
Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra under pressure from these people, some women independent game developers have "ragequit"(read: harassed beyond belief so did the only logical thing) from twitter and the like. It's violent if you follow the independent games scene
These are also the same group of people who forced Phil Fish off the internet, basically.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to the article, the author received one unwanted message every 50 days. How is it "cognitive dissonance" or "denial" to describe pressing delete every 50 days as a minor problem? Note that in a typical 2 week period, I probably get more than 36 recruiter spams. Could you concretely explain what you feel is being denied?
One every 50 days is 1) The absolute, lowest, background radiation level, of men hassling women. 2) Even despite that, demonstrably worse that what men get. This is not the norm. This is what's still left when the volume of a woman's public presence is dialled down to infinitesimal above zero. Normal is way worse.
I feel this test needs more controls.
Kongregate most caters to the flash gaming, 12 year old male audience. To draw anything about online "culture" is hardly representative.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look to women in the industry and ask what they think. And not just the indies who are outside the industry. https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jk2rq/ama_... If you have a twitter account, go ask #NotYourShield what women think of this as well. Don't just take any single persons word on this. Also, is this being downvoted because you don't want to read it?
A racist man says: "I'm not racist; I have black friends." Do you see what's wrong with that statement?