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Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by cozuya »

iamthepieman wrote: post #96

I do mostly contract work in the U.S. for state and local governments. The RFP's (Request for Proposals) always say something about using HTML5, responsiveness and the latest web standards. And sometime shortly after (and sometimes before) project kickoff we always see that a large percentage of their employees are using IE8 and we have to support it. I make a point of describing in detail what kind of resources will…

While I commend you for finding a way to communicate to your clients in a way that allows you to not develop for IE8, you're not really being truthful. You can use "HTML5" with IE8 as part of html5shiv.js of course and IE8 doesn't need to be responsive - its a desktop browser. In most cases you can almost certainly deliver an IE8 solution without a lot of extra work.

Re: IE6 is dead

#142

Post by eli »

jader201 wrote: post #109
eli wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

Just curious, any idea why you have so many users (10%) still on IE8 or under? I just checked my usage, and I only have 8% using IE period -- all versions. Of those, only 8% are on IE8 or under -- which is only 0.6% of all users.

We have a network of B2B news and information sites for various industries. I think this is probably pretty standard for sites targeting enterprise users at non-IT companies.

It's actually kinda interesting to see the variations between industries like Healthcare vs Construction vs Utilities. If I get time maybe I'll write up a blog post.

Re: IE6 is dead

#143

Post by eli »

astrodust wrote: post #113
eli wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

Have you run metrics to see what the ROI on your IE6 support is? Do you know what percentage of your revenue these customers generate? Maybe it's 10% of your user base, but 0% of your profits. Or 50%. You won't know until you run the numbers.

Good advice! Unfortunately, our IE8 users are disportionately more valuable than average.

Re: IE6 is dead

#144

Post by Turing_Machine »

eli wrote: post #74
kijin wrote: post #70

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That's exactly why any hypothetical boycott of IE[6-8] will have to be an industry-wide affair like the SOPA blackout. If everyone boycotts IE[6-8] at the same time, nobody will suffer any competitive disadvantage because of their participation in the boycott.

Well, for one thing, my competition isn't just other websites. And the risk isn't just that people will find a non-blacked out site. Anyway, I'm against anything that's intentionally user-hostile as a matter of principle.

Unless you have an unlimited developer budget (and who does?) spending time and money on IE support is also user-hostile. It's just hostile toward a different set of users.

That money could be spent on improving the user experience for people with good browsers, developing new services, lowering prices, or any number of other things that would directly benefit the 90% of your users who have actually entered the 21st Century.

Re: IE6 is dead

#146

Post by johne20 »

jader201 wrote: post #109
eli wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

Just curious, any idea why you have so many users (10%) still on IE8 or under? I just checked my usage, and I only have 8% using IE period -- all versions. Of those, only 8% are on IE8 or under -- which is only 0.6% of all users.

I agree with JoeAltmaier, but to add to that it depends on your product. eg. If you run a non-profit crm, you will have higher percentage of IE users. As opposed to a git hosting platform, you would have negligible use of IE. Put simply, it depends where on the tech scale your users are and products tend to appeal to some section of the scale.

Re: IE6 is dead

#147

Post by kaybe »

eli wrote: post #142
jader201 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, any idea why you have so many users (10%) still on IE8 or under? I just checked my usage, and I only have 8% using IE period -- all versions. Of those, only 8% are on IE8 or under -- which is only 0.6% of all users.

We have a network of B2B news and information sites for various industries. I think this is probably pretty standard for sites targeting enterprise users at non-IT companies. It's actually kinda interesting to see the variations between industries like Healthcare vs Construction vs Utilities. If I get time maybe I'll write up a blog post.

Please do. It does sounds interesting.

Re: IE6 is dead

#148

Post by iamthepieman »

cozuya wrote: post #141
iamthepieman wrote: post #96

I do mostly contract work in the U.S. for state and local governments. The RFP's (Request for Proposals) always say something about using HTML5, responsiveness and the latest web standards. And sometime shortly after (and sometimes before) project kickoff we always see that a large percentage of their employees are using IE8 and we have to support it. I make a point of describing in detail what kind of resources will…

While I commend you for finding a way to communicate to your clients in a way that allows you to not develop for IE8, you're not really being truthful. You can use "HTML5" with IE8 as part of html5shiv.js of course and IE8 doesn't need to be responsive - its a desktop browser. In most cases you can almost certainly deliver an IE8 solution without a lot of extra work.

I admit that I may overemphasize but it's never as simple as just using a shiv. I always run into additional debugging and support issues when building for IE8.

There is most definitely additional work required to support IE8.

Re: IE6 is dead

#149

Post by sz4kerto »

awda wrote: post #105
voidlogic wrote: post #103

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I just went to acid3 with Firefox 28 and got 100%...?

I got "100%" too, but there's multiple criteria for passing: - 100% - Animation is smooth, no stuttering - The final rendering matches the provided image

100% on IE11, 97% on Chrome 34. Interesting.

Re: IE6 is dead

#150

Post by toxican »

crisnoble wrote: post #100

As a dev I have been trying to convince the project managers of the following theory of people who use IE6/7/8. They must fall into one the following categories 1. Windows XP, which does not allow them to upgrade to IE9 AND do not know that other non-sucky browsers exist 2. They work for a company that requires IE8 3. They are masochists who love pain) 4. They are sadists who enjoy dealing out pain to Web developers.…

In regards to your first solution, I keep going back and forth on whether or not it's professional to add a conditional warning that detects an old browser and explains the upgrade process. I know there are some scripts you can throw on your sites that automatically do this, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.
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