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Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by po »

auctiontheory wrote: post #49
po wrote: post #32

During the press questioning the computer they were using froze up a bit and Anand became frustrated and rattled through his thinking out loud instead. The commentator then asks Anand something along the lines of "did you think through all of these complications?" and his response was a curt "no, I was thinking of what to eat tonight." "Yeah… so, do we have questions to the players?" oof... such high stakes and he ju…

his response was a curt "no, I was thinking of what to eat tonight." I was up at 5am to watch that. Embarrassing. Other great players (e.g. Kramnik) have lost tough matches with a lot more class.

I think he was just frustrated with himself and then he got frustrated with the laptop and then the question. I'd cut him some slack. I just thought it was a bit funny.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by prawn »

kadabra9 wrote: post #103
klapinat0r wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind to elaborate on what you mean by playing tactical vs. strategical? (part of my yearly "now I'll get started with Chess again")

Tactics are often associated with winning material through a combination or attack, so you could think of concepts such as trapping an opponents queen or blundering a knight are more tactical in nature. Other ideas, like discovered check, pins, decoys, etc are primarily tactical as well. Many lower level games are decided by tactics simply because players are more apt to fall into traps, not calculate properly, etc.…

Not particularly good at chess, but could the difference be likened to the following:

  Tactics - winning pieces or losing fewer than your opponent
  Strategy - putting yourself in a position where the above is more likely to happen or be possible

?

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jerf »

tokenadult wrote: post #86
dfan wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rating differences at any given point in time are comparable to rating differences at another given point in time. That is, A being 200 points better than B in 2013 means the same thing as C being 200 points better than D in 1963. This is a fundamental underpinning of Arpad Elo's model. It is absolutely true that the Elo model is a relative one and does not guarantee that a given rating number represents the same abi…

Is there a mathematical proof that the Elo ratings have interval properties (so that "Rating differences at any given point in time are comparable to rating differences at another given point in time" is a surely true statement) and not just ordinal properties? I ask, because this is a hot issue in psychology, which I study, and it appears that almost all psychological "measurements" have, at best, merely ordinal pro…

In addition to the other comments, I'd add that in the context of Chess, we have a contest in which there is a winner or a loser or a draw, and we can relatively easily verify that the system is functioning as designed with simple statistics. We also have a system that broadly speaking produces a fairly uniform ordering. Yes, at the very top of chess there's some question of who might win or whether styles have an effect, but broadly speaking in the population at large, a 50 point difference will have a certain meaning; at the macro level, we're measuring something with one dimension.

I would imagine many psychology studies are measuring something a great deal less well defined and more multidimensional in practice than "A will beat B at chess."

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by robryan »

karpathy wrote: post #123
pdknsk wrote: post #4

Skip to 13:47:30 when the commentators realise Anand made a huge blunder (and resigns on the next move). http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carlsen-video-with-comment...

The official commentary and analysis, imo, was not very good though. I was watching this feed live to see the players, but for audio I was over at http://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork . Jerry from chessnetwork did a wonderful job of breaking it all down as it was happening. In general, his Chess YouTube channel over here http://www.youtube.com/chessnetwork is awesome.

Yeah second this, Jerry is pretty amazing and makes the game pretty accessible for those like me with only a passing interest in chess.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jc123 »

Haven't paid attention for a while, but the reduction of games from the classical best of 24 series, seems far too short. Anand had to take this risk because there were only 4 games left and he needed to win 2 which is super tough. Another 12 games would have been interesting. So if the next game is a draw, which is highly likely, would the championship only have 10 games? Classical championship should allow for more battles; there are other tournaments where speed can be the focus.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by kzrdude »

GraffitiTim wrote: post #126
kzrdude wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allegedly Carlsen has said that he "didn't know anything about chess when I became world #1", reflecting over the amount he had learned since then. I don't understand what that can be, but I'm no chess player..

When did he say that? I couldn't find a source.

vg.no quoted him as saying this.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by sireat »

pytrin wrote: post #83
Peroni wrote: post #72

I'm an experienced poker player however I'm an absolute chess novice. Aside from the obvious "just practice" advice, what are the best resources to fall back on in terms of books, videos etc if I wanted to learn the game in significant depth?

I'd highly recommend "My System" by Aron Nimzowitsch. A deep dive into positional play instead of specific tactics http://www.amazon.com/My-System-21st-Century-Edition/dp/1880...

My System was my second chess book. I bought it in an underground book market in a forest for 10 roubles when I was a 9 year old.

It is a great book and without it I would have struggled to reach FM, but it is a little bit too advanced for a first book. I'd say it is a good 4th or 5th book.

I'd say something like Lasker's manual of chess would be better suited as a first book. Perhaps one of the other starter's volumes from Seirawan, et al would fit the bill.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by clarky07 »

mehwoot wrote: post #137
clarky07 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that hard to argue. Given there are lots of things to take into account, but Jordan averaged 2.5 more ppg than lebron, and 5 ppg if you take out the wizards comeback. Jordan also won 6 out of 8 championships, (and you know, was playing baseball for the other 2 years). Obviously ppg is not the only metric, and championships are won by teams. LeBron is probably in the argument for best all time, and by the end…

It's not that hard to argue. Given there are lots of things to take into account, but Jordan averaged 2.5 more ppg than lebron, and 5 ppg if you take out the wizards comeback. Jordan also won 6 out of 8 championships, (and you know, was playing baseball for the other 2 years). In a specifically chosen 8 year period. There were 7 years before that where he didn't win a championship. LeBron's career is far from over, a…

surely ppg is a relevant measure of a player's skill right? I'm just pointing out that even if you think LeBron is best ever, it's not a landslide by any means as the parent comment seemed to indicate. "hard to argue he's not best ever." It's not really. He's in the argument, but by no means is he "obviously" #1.

Fwiw Lebron didn't win a championship for his first 8 years. Perhaps he will win the next 6 and make Jordan look pedestrian. He's not there yet though.

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