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Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Utah has a pretty solid economy, and lots of outdoors enthuiasts love it. I don't know much about Provo, but the drawback to me about Utah is that you have to live in a state that is strongly controlled by the LDS, which is great if you are a mainstream Mormon. Not so much if you aren't. My good friend recently left the Salt Lake City area after several years. When his neighbors found out he wasn't Mormon (LDS to be…

I'm not LDS, and generally dislike religion, but I wonder how bad an LDS-controlled area really would be. I assume it means good disaster/etc. preparation, a relatively strong social safety net for participants (and thus less abject poverty, random crazy people, etc.) The non-LDS or ex-LDS people I know who live in Utah (from Defcon or whatever) seem pretty cohesive as well. Maybe because it's a smaller tech scene th…

> "I wonder how bad an LDS-controlled area really would be"

It's got some outright bad stuff, some good, and some that's just oddly different.

For example, alcohol sales in Utah are extremely restricted because of an LDS prohibition on alcohol consumption [0].

Many Utah communities recently passed "free speech zone" ordinances, which seemed only to be enforced against people who were critical of the LDS church. Some friends of mine joined with the ACLU to get at least one of the ordinances repealed [1].

The social safety nets in Utah are strong, but in some circumstances there's also a lot of religious pressure tied to them. In other circumstances they're really great.

Being a stay-at-home dad in a heavily LDS community is a strange experience. It's a society that expects men to work and women to take care of children; I got a lot of funny looks when I'd go places with my son.

Many companies in Utah hire both LDS and non-LDS employees. I've heard quite a few people describe significant workplace tension. Others had no problems at all.

Net result: it's a really mixed bag.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Wisdom#Prohibitions

[1] http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/brigham-city-free-speech-zon...

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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It's a college town, probably more creatively vibrant than you would think at first glance, anti-Mormon prejudices aside.

I would like to think that HN is free of any anti-Mormon prejudices.

No significant online tech community is free of anti-religion prejudice, let alone anti-Mormon prejudice. Mormonism in particular attracts ire because it is very inflexible on behaviors that most religions have compromised on recently, and its unusual origins.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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They just announced they'll offer a free trial period for every home.

from the article: "we’d offer our Free Internet service (5 Mbps speeds) to every home along the existing Provo network, for a $30 activation fee and no monthly charge for at least seven years"

Holy crap....that's kinda insane! I thought the 7 year figure was a joke.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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I wish Palo Alto could get out of their limited and never very awesome metro fiber business (run by the city, like their other utilities) by getting Google as a partner. For Google, it would make sense from a marketing perspective -- if I got 1Gbps fiber at home in PA due to Google, I'd be more positively inclined toward the company in general (for working, M&A, other products, whatever). San Francisco, I have zero h…

CA makes it impossible unfortunately. I wish you were right, but this state is setup to allow every crank to block any sort of development.

How does California make it impossible? State PUC, or just NIMBY culture?

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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Yep. I pay 60 bucks a month for 40 Mbps, and Google offers 1 Gbps for 70 bucks a month. I pay almost the same price for 4% the speed (not to mention horrible customer service).

I don't need 1gbps and would love something like 25mbits for, say, $20. They really need a midtier connection between free 5m and 1G.

Hell, I would pay $40 for 5mbit if they beat down the latency. Remote-desktop type applications would be much more pleasant.

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CA makes it impossible unfortunately. I wish you were right, but this state is setup to allow every crank to block any sort of development.

How does California make it impossible? State PUC, or just NIMBY culture?

I've posted this elsewhere, but take a look at the California Environmental Protection Act (CEPA), which is overlaid on top of the national version (NEPA). I've worked on projects in CA that hit CEPA problems, and the level of bureaucracy can be really hideous.

NIMBY stuff doesn't help either: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/05/face... ; that's primarily about housing, but there's a strong "People united against everything" front.

This: http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2011/11/15/no-att-lightspeed-inter... is about San Francisco, but Palo Alto is not exactly known for its developer-friendly environment either.

Re: Google Fiber announced for Provo, Utah

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I wish Palo Alto could get out of their limited and never very awesome metro fiber business (run by the city, like their other utilities) by getting Google as a partner. For Google, it would make sense from a marketing perspective -- if I got 1Gbps fiber at home in PA due to Google, I'd be more positively inclined toward the company in general (for working, M&A, other products, whatever). San Francisco, I have zero h…

San Francisco, I have zero hope for due to the totally dysfunctional city government

Are you voting in municipal elections? If not, you're part of the problem, not the solution.

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