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$10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by Taylorious »

amix wrote: post #44

PyCon had 500 women out of 2500 attendance. Gave away over $100,000 in financial aid. Gave away 2500 Raspberry Pi's. Thought kids to code. Raised $10,000 for the PyLadies. Gave permission to publish amazing online videos etc. And then you have these 3 idiots (and more online idiots) that steal the spotlight and everybody focuses on them. Sigh. Let's focus on the positive stuff!

How ironic that now that you brought them up, the "scandal" is hijacking this thread and we aren't talking about this positive stuff.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

budde wrote: post #132
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine, so what if I created something with the goal of: > We are an international mentorship group with a focus on helping more men become active participants and leaders in the Python open-source community. How do you think that would go down?

Men are not an underrepresented group in tech. It is not at all the same situation. Do you really not see that?

Discrimination hurts the under-represented group; positive discrimination for women hurts women.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by mnicole »

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #128
pekk wrote: post #110

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I don't know Lynn Root, but I don't see anything here for any mature man to be upset about. If Lynn Root complains or does or doesn't give a lightning talk (on the basis of her feeling bad that day, or not having prepared or whatever) that might be some kind of faux pas but honestly, who gives a shit. People cancel lightning talks. It harms nobody. It certainly doesn't make everyone involved with PyLadies (e.g. Hynek…

>Please explain why it is not offensive for this guy to call upon PyLadies for an orgasm... I'll do better. I'll explain why being offended that someone mentioned the name of your organization in a context you don't approve of doesn't give you the right to publicly shame that person and get the conference organizers involved even if it was well outside their jurisdiction (he tweeted from a restaurant, after the confe…

After being told he could bring a woman to climax with the way he ate dinner, he used "#Pyladies?" to solicit sex to anyone following that hashtag. How is that not completely inappropriate?

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by pekk »

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #128
pekk wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know Lynn Root, but I don't see anything here for any mature man to be upset about. If Lynn Root complains or does or doesn't give a lightning talk (on the basis of her feeling bad that day, or not having prepared or whatever) that might be some kind of faux pas but honestly, who gives a shit. People cancel lightning talks. It harms nobody. It certainly doesn't make everyone involved with PyLadies (e.g. Hynek…

>Please explain why it is not offensive for this guy to call upon PyLadies for an orgasm... I'll do better. I'll explain why being offended that someone mentioned the name of your organization in a context you don't approve of doesn't give you the right to publicly shame that person and get the conference organizers involved even if it was well outside their jurisdiction (he tweeted from a restaurant, after the confe…

As a man (and a throwback, not a feminist) I think we should be tougher than this, not cry for years when some young woman complains to a conference organizer about an overtly, over-the-line sexist remark aimed directly at the PyLadies organization. Now, the man in question was graceful enough to climb down and apologize and is widely respected and doing very well for himself today. That's correct.

I suspect that the guy in question was probably a bit drunk or something, so in the end I think it is silly for anyone to still be offended about this incident.

Nothing is being done to you. Nothing is being done to me. We don't need to be offended. We don't need to be resentful. We don't need to attack PyLadies. If you don't like them, then ignore them.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

mnicole wrote: post #114
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #96

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Maybe he knows what Lynn Root did at last year's EuroPython[1][2] or how she complains about being only asked to talk about women issues[3] but when she got a spot in the lightning talk section she canceled it blaming the last day's "drama"[4]. [1] http://www.roguelynn.com/words/really/ [2] http://www.roguelynn.com/words/a-memorable-europython-for-th... [3] http://www.roguelynn.com/words/my-un-talk-at-djangocon/ [4]…

ITT: We bust an organization's balls because of what someone not even in it did and then focus on one woman actually in the group to diminish the good intentions of the entire thing. Newsflash: you can't make judgement calls on entire groups because of a single person.

>We bust an organization's balls

I find this expression inappropriate because "balls". Oh, I kid, we're all adults here. Feel free to use any colorful expression you see fit.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

mnicole wrote: post #143
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Please explain why it is not offensive for this guy to call upon PyLadies for an orgasm... I'll do better. I'll explain why being offended that someone mentioned the name of your organization in a context you don't approve of doesn't give you the right to publicly shame that person and get the conference organizers involved even if it was well outside their jurisdiction (he tweeted from a restaurant, after the confe…

After being told he could bring a woman to climax with the way he ate dinner, he used "#Pyladies?" to solicit sex to anyone following that hashtag. How is that not completely inappropriate?

>he used "#Pyladies?" to solicit sex to anyone following that hashtag

How do you get to the sex soliciting part? Not that there's anything wrong with having sexual fantasies reading other people's tweets, but let's try to focus when talking about this, shall we?

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by goldfeld »

amix wrote: post #44

PyCon had 500 women out of 2500 attendance. Gave away over $100,000 in financial aid. Gave away 2500 Raspberry Pi's. Thought kids to code. Raised $10,000 for the PyLadies. Gave permission to publish amazing online videos etc. And then you have these 3 idiots (and more online idiots) that steal the spotlight and everybody focuses on them. Sigh. Let's focus on the positive stuff!

I was at first confused by your comment's negativity when the link seemed to be positive (hadn't clicked yet), especially since you use "these." Now as I understand you seem to have done exactly what you're advocating against. Congratulations on derailing a potentially positive discussion and stealing a spotlight.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

pekk wrote: post #144
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Please explain why it is not offensive for this guy to call upon PyLadies for an orgasm... I'll do better. I'll explain why being offended that someone mentioned the name of your organization in a context you don't approve of doesn't give you the right to publicly shame that person and get the conference organizers involved even if it was well outside their jurisdiction (he tweeted from a restaurant, after the confe…

As a man (and a throwback, not a feminist) I think we should be tougher than this, not cry for years when some young woman complains to a conference organizer about an overtly, over-the-line sexist remark aimed directly at the PyLadies organization. Now, the man in question was graceful enough to climb down and apologize and is widely respected and doing very well for himself today. That's correct. I suspect that the…

>the man in question was graceful enough to climb down and apologize and is widely respected and doing very well for himself today

I remember the event because there was nothing graceful about that man being forced to apologize repeatedly with no place for a rational discussion. It was public humiliation. And the fact that he didn't fought it made it even worse.

Then there were organizers claiming that tweets containing "#europython" were part of the conference but that's another story.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by doktrin »

king_jester wrote: post #95
doktrin wrote: post #84

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That's a one sided over-simplification of what actually took place.

How so? We know women as a group have a hard time accessing and existing in tech spaces already for a variety of reasons, so why wouldn't some of the reaction that was misogynistic be a deterrent?

> "mysogynists tireless efforts to terrorize women in tech"

Crazed hysterics are not necessary and accomplish nothing constructive. There are far too many ideologues on both sides of this discussion poisoning the well for the rest of us.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Post by obstacle1 »

RyanMcGreal wrote: post #53
gojomo wrote: post #42

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You "would rather not even see articles like this" -- just because it reminds you of that other controversy, which this article had the good sense not to mention? As you note, the previous controversy had no real winners. Well, we all keep losing when that connection is reflexively made. Sure, it's natural to recall personally, but it doesn't need to be strengthened with constant mentions and fresh complaints. I sugg…

> the previous controversy had no real winners Sadly, I have to disagree. The hordes of abusive misogynists scored a big victory in their tireless efforts to terrorize and deter women from working in tech or, indeed, speaking publicly at all.

Which misogynists? The ones who made threatening/abusive comments on Twitter? Or are you calling anyone who disagrees with Richards's handling of this situation a misogynist?

If the former, don't worry. Those people don't represent the tech community, they are kids who hang out on imageboards and spread hate. To everyone. Including men. Do I need to provide some examples of /b/ tarring and feathering male victims on the internet? Or can we all agree that trolls attacking people online is nothing new?

If the latter, then your logic is broken. And I'd argue that anyone who subscribes to said logic doesn't have the mental capacity to work in tech, so we don't have to worry about deterrence; they'd be filtered out anyway.

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