I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…
"I would feel really uncomfortable if I was in the same room as this person. What if I accidentally say something that she finds offensive? Am I next?" I'm not agreeing with anything Adria did, but the issue of being labeled as the "tattletale" probably plays a big part in most women's reluctance to report real harassment.
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> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…
Sigh. Can't everyone in question here be a jerk? We have two sexist/innapropriate developers; one stressed out evangelist who overreacted and innapropriately tweeted a photo; one employer who (apparently, there is STILL no evidence for this fact beyond the anonymous pastebin!) fired one of the first guys on questionable evidence; uncounted hordes of almost-exclusively-male internet users with crystal clear (yet routi…
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The problem is not at all that Ms. Richards is a "tattletale," i.e. that she reported a problem to PyCon. Nobody has a problem with that.
Right, it is 100% reasonable to be offended by conduct inappropriate for the event and to bring it to their attention. To grossly abuse your power and demonize two individuals who do not have a forum in which to rebut your accusations -- not okay.
They even amended their code of conduct to prevent what Adria did from happening in the future.
And the CoC is pretty obviously directed at presenters, not people having a pseudo-private conversation with one another.
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Now that is a truly impressive case of special pleading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
Actually, that is what they teach at university nowadays in race and gender studies departments, sociology, and other mushy social-sciences. My friends who went to places like Harvard all believe it.
(Unfortunately, many people on learning an exciting new definition of a word forget it has a more general meaning; confusion and stupid internet arguments ensue.)
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Sigh. Can't everyone in question here be a jerk? We have two sexist/innapropriate developers; one stressed out evangelist who overreacted and innapropriately tweeted a photo; one employer who (apparently, there is STILL no evidence for this fact beyond the anonymous pastebin!) fired one of the first guys on questionable evidence; uncounted hordes of almost-exclusively-male internet users with crystal clear (yet routi…
> We have two sexist/innapropriate developers Inappropriate yes, sexist no (a "dongle" private joke can hardly be construed as sexist, seriously). > one employer who (apparently, there is STILL no evidence for this fact beyond the anonymous pastebin!) fired one of the first guys on questionable evidence Apparently? A blog post from their CEO not evidence enough: http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ ? Also fire…
"we will not comment on all the factors that contributed to our parting ways."
I still suspect this was a firing for many reasons, not just this incident.
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It's possible (although unlikely) that this _is_ a suspension. "Tell the DDoS clowns that she's no longer employed there, they move on, after the Internet recovers from its non-linear response to this whole situation, reinstate her with a profuse apology to everyone." I'm not sure that's better than just muscling through the DDoS, but when you can't deliver service to your customers, some folks get creative.
I think that would make the company look even worse. Announcing they're going to fire someone then retracting that statement when things die down? Sounds childish and unprofessional (much like this whole situation).
And I can neither fully agree nor disagree: there are people specialized in handling and diverting DDOS, but they cost money and they take time, during which customers relying on SendGrid get no service and get frustrated.
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#150Shame on her for not apologizing immediately when the firestorm broke out. I suspect this would have preserved two jobs.