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Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by culi »

hparadiz wrote: post #130
culi wrote: post #125

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It's not good to take info as a personal attack.[0] The most subsidized companies in human history by how long they've been around. it's worse than the actual military industrial complex (though both his major companies are heavily tied to the MIC as well) https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/space-explor... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura…

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I didn't flag your original comment. You're clearly very deep into identity-protective cognition and unable to discuss logically. You are taking criticism of a company very personally and getting emotional about it.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by amazingamazing »

hypfer wrote: post #22

This is a huge success, but it I think also tells us that the EU is further decoupling itself from the US. Slowly but steadily. Which is obviously the right thing to do, but it's interesting that it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

Why is this a sign of decoupling? Is any EU technological development decoupling?

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by whatsThisBtn4 »

Eupolemos wrote: post #81
rexskimmer wrote: post #73

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They started developing this rocket in the late 2010s, way before the current US craziness (or the current level of craziness anyway). Independent access to space is always desirable for countries that can muster the resources, but this is just one of many companies that appeared back then as a response to SpaceX's initial success.

Eh, you can split us Europeans up into two camps; those who do not want to see the problem and those who couldn't look away. The second camp saw the craziness when the later Bush was elected a second time.

I'd split it into 2 camps. Elites who realize Europe isn't a unified group or has a military strong enough for defense..

And people who get wet when France says they are going to send soldiers to Ukraine and it never materializes.

The general population has 0 understanding of international relations. It's the United States and China right now. Any other belief comes from someone who has read 0 international relations Realism books.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by vladms »

artisinal wrote: post #89
tristanj wrote: post #29

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French Guiana is not a colony, it is a region of France. People who live there have the same constitutional rights as anyone living in mainland France. It has the same status in France as Alaska does in the US.

That's legally true, but I think it misses the distinction between formal political status and the legacy of colonialism. French Guiana is an overseas department of France, and its residents have French citizenship and constitutional rights. But that doesn't mean the historical relationship was equivalent to mainland France, or that the effects of that history disappeared when the legal status changed. The same point…

While I agree with your analysis, would you think is the best to use the same generic term "colonialism" for both the situations in French Guyana and let's say Venezuela in the last year? I would prefer more words to differentiate a bit, but maybe that's just me.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by sublimefire »

pjc50 wrote: post #61
tristanj wrote: post #29

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French Guiana is not a colony, it is a region of France. People who live there have the same constitutional rights as anyone living in mainland France. It has the same status in France as Alaska does in the US.

It's a colony even if it's legally part of France. (Had to check: free movement does apply to Guianans, but in the other direction it's not part of Schengen)

Ireland is not part of Schengen as well for example, it is because that is much harder to practically achieve for folks living on islands.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by xyzelement »

hypfer wrote: post #22

This is a huge success, but it I think also tells us that the EU is further decoupling itself from the US. Slowly but steadily. Which is obviously the right thing to do, but it's interesting that it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

Does it mean that?

Europe has had a space agency for a while now. So this story isn't "Europeans finally started to launch for space" but a private European company chose to launch from a continental location.

It's funny how we can't be celebrate a European achievement without trying to interpret it into relationship to the US.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by hparadiz »

culi wrote: post #141
hparadiz wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I didn't flag your original comment. You're clearly very deep into identity-protective cognition and unable to discuss logically. You are taking criticism of a company very personally and getting emotional about it.

You are presenting statistics about government funding as "subsidies" when they aren't subsidies. They are just normal government contracts. That makes you a liar and a fool. You very clearly have an agenda to push but I will have none of it.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by sebmellen »

whatsThisBtn4 wrote: post #143
Eupolemos wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, you can split us Europeans up into two camps; those who do not want to see the problem and those who couldn't look away. The second camp saw the craziness when the later Bush was elected a second time.

I'd split it into 2 camps. Elites who realize Europe isn't a unified group or has a military strong enough for defense.. And people who get wet when France says they are going to send soldiers to Ukraine and it never materializes. The general population has 0 understanding of international relations. It's the United States and China right now. Any other belief comes from someone who has read 0 international relations…

Realpolitik sorely lacking

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by sebmellen »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #139
smnplk wrote: post #114

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One would think that ze germans would be among the first to be conquering space with all that german engineering.

They are - but in cooperation with others. Parts of the Orion capsule of the current Artemis mission program are based on the German ATV, which is a capsule which was developed to supply ISS. On ISS there are German modules like Galileo. German Spacelab was a major component of many Space Shuttle missions. German companies like Zeiss provided optics and laser components for Apollo. To name a few, besides lots of sate…

I mean, Operation Paperclip and Von Braun were central to the success of the Apollo program. The Soviets had a similar postwar-German-capture program, if I remember correctly.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by whatsThisBtn4 »

Danox wrote: post #105
ph4rsikal wrote: post #30

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It is indeed a huge success but it also underlines how far ahead the rest of the world is.

So what should they do nothing? They have to get started somehow if Japan and China can do it so can Europe, and I think long-term once again, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand won’t be far behind…

That's essentially what they have done for military/defense.

The United States saves the day. France pretends they are in charge with grand speeches.

I was close to a European immigrant and 2 things she was shocked about:

How rich the United States was. Even our poor had more than her upper middle class family had.

How people in the United States do not take 2 hour coffee and cigarette breaks.

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