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England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by kube-system »

fridder wrote: post #97
MoltenMan wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a trump fan, but the antivax train has nothing to do with him. (Evidence: Canada is doing even worse then us when it comes to measles). If we want to fix this problem (we do), the first step is to recognize the actual problem, not to play the blame game on whichever politician you currently don't like!

You are willfully deluding yourself if you believe that. He put an anti-vax idiot as head of HHS. How is that "nothing"?

He was appointed and holds those views because these ideas are now popular... not the other way around.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by Aurornis »

anonymars wrote: post #137
Aurornis wrote: post #132

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The pivotal paper that tried to link vaccines to autism came out of the UK and was published in The Lancet. Assuming that the US was the root of the current surge of anti-vax idealism is not supported by the facts.

In fact, you can bet that other states deliberately stirred the pot

There is some evidence that anti-vac activism was one of the key topics pushed by foreign influence campaigns at several points. I think the simple explanation is that they pushed any topic which could be used for political divisiveness and unrest, but fomenting anti-vac sentiment is especially damaging due to the physical harms it causes.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by MoltenMan »

renegade-otter wrote: post #125
MoltenMan wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason there are measles cases is because a decent percentage of people aren't getting vaccinated anymore. If all of the cases were 2 year olds or younger (when RFK was put in charge) then possibly. But not only are they older ( https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html ), this is also happening in Canada. I don't see how it could possibly be RFK's fault.

COVID and anti-vaxxing explosion happened 6 years ago.

Look at the source I linked! Only 20% of cases are under 5!

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by arethuza »

juntoalaluna wrote: post #18
sd9 wrote: post #13

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England is a country. The UK is a country. People in the UK would refer to England as a country and most people would actually be confused if you referred to the UK as a country, even though it technically is. People in England don’t really think of the UK as anything other than “the UK”. People from Scotland, Wales, and Ireland have more nuanced takes.

No one is confused if you can the UK a country, or if you call England, Wales, or Scotland a country. You might get a tedious person saying something like "actually, Wales is a principality".

I must admit I've never heard NI being called a country... wouldn't be the UK if there wasn't some horrible complication involved.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by nly »

Aurornis wrote: post #106
thex10 wrote: post #73

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I forgot to mention my experience was in the northeastern USA in the 2000s-2010s. I’m happy you got a better standard of care than I did!

Hep C screening at least once for adults >= 18 is recommended and considered standard of care in the United States. I checked my medical records and I have a negative Hep C result in an old checkup when I was younger, and another one from a new provider who insisted on a big panel of standard testing for new patients (despite me having no risk factors). It’s unfortunate that your early providers dropped the ball. I w…

Crazy how different healthcare is in different countries.

In the UK once you've had your childhood vaccinations it's entirely possible you'd simply never see a doctor again in your life until you're ready for your prostate exam in older life.

There are no regular checkups or preventative care on the NHS for mid life adults unless you're proactive

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by sterlind »

pacija wrote: post #129
Aurornis wrote: post #112

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Strangely, anti-vax sentiment is surging in a lot of countries. Canada has higher rates of vaccine rejection than the United States in some categories, as one example. It’s a strange global phenomenon and I don’t think there is one single root cause. MAGA/MAHA definitely jumped on to the anti-vax train as it became popular, but many forget that Trump presided over the rushing of the COVID vaccine into availability an…

Contemporary pharmaceutical companies, as well as contemporary government and private health institutions are my enemy. I would rather die than live using their products and services. When more ethical entities take over their business I will gladly start using them once again, as I did back in the day before they turned evil.

interesting. so if you get a bacterial infection, you plan to succumb to it rather than take antibiotics?

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by MoltenMan »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #123
MoltenMan wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason there are measles cases is because a decent percentage of people aren't getting vaccinated anymore. If all of the cases were 2 year olds or younger (when RFK was put in charge) then possibly. But not only are they older ( https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html ), this is also happening in Canada. I don't see how it could possibly be RFK's fault.

While It’s fair to point out that RFK is hopping on a train that’s already got momentum, your first comment reads as if it’s not caused by falling vaccination rates (your second comment clarified further). Also why not blame politicians doing the wrong thing?

Perhaps I should've been clearer. And yes they aren't helping.

And yes, we should blame them for the things they do. T But the comment I was responding to was acting as if MAGA was the reason for measles outbreaks, which is false. I'm an incredibly strong believer in the truth. An example of why I think this is an important separation: imagine you tried to fix the measles outbreak and miraculously got every single American to hate Trump and got Trump out of office. The problem would still not be fixed! People would still be dying of measles! The effort would have been almost completely wasted!

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by nephihaha »

alistairSH wrote: post #65
FartyMcFarter wrote: post #37

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I don't know if borders matter much in this case. It's approximately just as easy to travel to England from many other countries as it is to travel to England from the rest of the UK.

LOL, no that's simply not true. The borders between Scotland, England, and Wales are effectively like state borders in the US. Unless you see a street sign, you wouldn't know you crossed it. NI is physically on a different island, so requires a boat or plane ride. And all of the UK (ignoring the territories and ex-colonies) is on islands. And require a valid passport, passing through customs/immigration checks, and e…

Most of the Scottish border is fairly physically obvious, unlike Wales (although the Severn bridge is).

Tens of thousands of people live on islands other than Britain and Ireland. Much of Scotland is not even considered UK mainland by delivery firms, even major places such as Perth.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by simonw »

Aurornis wrote: post #132
simonw wrote: post #124

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Given the amount of cultural influence the USA has and the universal nature of the internet it seems likely to me that global anti-vax sentiment could have started with the USA.

The pivotal paper that tried to link vaccines to autism came out of the UK and was published in The Lancet. Assuming that the US was the root of the current surge of anti-vax idealism is not supported by the facts.

I don't think the general public were as influenced by a paper in the Lancet as they were by other members of the public (and media) talking about that study.
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