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Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Danox »

HDBaseT wrote: post #125
agumonkey wrote: post #22

The industry has managed a transition. Some European brands have partnered with chinese suppliers while integrating some research in-house. Some cars have a lot of features, cute look, and good price.

By features you mean surveillance and spyware bundled with locked down, closed source software aimed at restricting you as much as possible whilst extracting every last cent out of you. Effectively no modern car "looks cute" or good. They are all stupid SUVs for soccer moms brainwashed by car marketing.

Big oversized, rolling couches down the road big and square, model 3 or Prius sized if you’re trying to save the environment.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by fragmede »

Rohansi wrote: post #97
pinkyboy wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can plug almost any modern EV into the Tesla supercharging network without issue. However, unlike Teslas, you can _also_ plug and charge them in other networks. On self-driving: if you want true autonomy, where you can relax and do something else entirely while you drive, the answers are Waymo, Apollo Go, and to a lesser extent: rideshare. Every other system requires that you sit in the driver's seat, pay att…

> Which means that ongoing improvements don't actually buy you much of anything, because having to handle an exception every 50 miles isn't a better experience than having to handle one very 5 miles. That's what I thought too but after trying FSD on HW4 for two months I really think they are almost there. HW3 was really bad but I didn't need to intervene once with HW4. I think their biggest hurdle will be more of a l…

comma.ai is the one that's available now to cars today.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Danox »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #56

> Thanks to a number of factors (new cheaper models, high gas prices, mass arrival of Chinese models, etc.), EVs are currently in high demand in Europe. EVs are in high demand in the EU because laws have been passed in every country and ICE are getting banned in many cities. Chinese EVs did flood the EU not because people did want to buy chinese EVs: people in the EU were totally fine buying ICE cars (german, french,…

Short term thinking in the EU and top it off Germany also got rid of their nuclear power plants, and then became dependent on Russian oil and gas.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Danox »

tialaramex wrote: post #115
TacticalCoder wrote: post #56

> Thanks to a number of factors (new cheaper models, high gas prices, mass arrival of Chinese models, etc.), EVs are currently in high demand in Europe. EVs are in high demand in the EU because laws have been passed in every country and ICE are getting banned in many cities. Chinese EVs did flood the EU not because people did want to buy chinese EVs: people in the EU were totally fine buying ICE cars (german, french,…

You imply that ICE is banned when in reality many European cities decided to require that you stop polluting their city by meeting newer standards but a brand new ICE car would do that too today, the problem is always that people think a car produced twenty years ago (or like yours, 38 years ago) ought to count, because hey, by the standards of twenty years ago it didn't pollute very much. Standards change. Fifty yea…

It is extremely stupid to kill your native companies and then become dependent upon foreign companies, see the US if you want to see what happens when you do.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by tpm »

criemen wrote: post #18
Sayrus wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not entirely sure why you're getting downvoted. I wasn't able to find a source for the data but it is probably new vehicle registrations. Europe here seems to include Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Switzerland.

Sweden, Finland and Iceland would be part of any definition of Europe? They're all EU countries, and (irrelevant to that) are now all NATO members too.

Iceland is not in the EU

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Rohansi »

fragmede wrote: post #142
Rohansi wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which means that ongoing improvements don't actually buy you much of anything, because having to handle an exception every 50 miles isn't a better experience than having to handle one very 5 miles. That's what I thought too but after trying FSD on HW4 for two months I really think they are almost there. HW3 was really bad but I didn't need to intervene once with HW4. I think their biggest hurdle will be more of a l…

comma.ai is the one that's available now to cars today.

comma.ai requires supervision just like Tesla's FSD.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by tpm »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #56

> Thanks to a number of factors (new cheaper models, high gas prices, mass arrival of Chinese models, etc.), EVs are currently in high demand in Europe. EVs are in high demand in the EU because laws have been passed in every country and ICE are getting banned in many cities. Chinese EVs did flood the EU not because people did want to buy chinese EVs: people in the EU were totally fine buying ICE cars (german, french,…

> EVs are in high demand in the EU because laws have been passed in every country and ICE are getting banned in many cities.

Can you give us an example of a city in the EU banning ICEs? (Not that I'm complaining, it's nice to have quiet cities with clean air, I just don't know about those)

> But the EU being the EU

The EU being the EU did the responsible thing and gave car manufacturers clear rules and a long timeline (over 15 years) to apply them; they also gave them the escape hatch of hybrids and PHEVs that will only be closed using the OBFCM in the following years. But the manufacturers chased fast money and refused to innovate and lower prices because they still made lots of money in export markets. Then China changed the rules, it became very hard to make money with ICE cars there, and then the mfgs complain about the EU and want to be saved again.

> Chinese EVs did flood the EU

There are tariffs on Chinese EVs, depending on the manufacturer, ranging from 27% (BYD) to 45% (SAIC). If the customers still buy a Chinese EV and not an european EV, then the European EV manufacturer does something wrong.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by asdff »

thinkcontext wrote: post #114
asdff wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d guess a greater percent of car owners in the US are working class. A lot of cities car modal share is like 85% or higher which shows how much car ownership is democratized in the US compared to asia or eu, where ownership might be higher relative income and more able to afford new ev premium prices vs cheap used gas cars.

We're talking about new cars, which in the US the average price of is $50K. The working class tends to buy used cars, of which 3 times more than new cars are sold each year.

Doesn’t matter the price really. People will lease new cars for a couple hundred a month. Or finance them to about that monthly. No one is paying $50k day one. This makes it so people you wouldn’t expect to afford a 50k asset actually do have one, because they can afford to part with like $200/mo.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by asdff »

reverius42 wrote: post #73
asdff wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t own one because I can’t install a fast charger at my place.

I don't have a gas station at my house, and yet I still own a gas-powered vehicle. I also don't have a fast electric charger at my house, and yet I still also own an EV.

I can fill a gas car in 3 mins basically anywhere within reach of civilization. It is frictionless pretty much. People I know with ev and no home charger have to plan their entire life around when they take the car to charge. Sometimes they have to just take the gas car because the ev is down to 30% and too close to empty for comfort.
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