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IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by bambax »

nicholassmith wrote: post #133

I've been a Mac user for nearly a decade, first machine I bought was a G4 12" iBook. My Uni final year project was a Cocoa app when saying "Hey I'm making a Mac App!" got you strange looks. I've also developed on Linux for work for about 5/6 years. Sometimes, even cross-platform OS X/Linux development. Has the situation changed and 'nerds' are no longer Apple's target market? Kind of. A bit. If you cared about upgrad…

> If like me you came to Apple as you had no interest in upgrading a machine, ever, at all, then they've not changed.

Not true; at some point in time versions of OS X kind of stop working (no new version of Firefox or Chrome for you if you're running anything prior to 10.5 for example).

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by sbuk »

pjmlp wrote: post #101
w0utert wrote: post #92

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>> The issue is that many Apple fanboys ... This is where I stopped reading... It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? Why should I care some guy on the internet doesn't want a computer that isn't user serviceable, or a tablet that uses a curated app store that contains 'literally thousands upon th…

The thing is, I am OS agnostic and never built a Linux distro on my life. Yes, I even have Mac OS X systems available to me. Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings.

Maybe you should stop name calling. Just putting it out there.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by PLejeck »

nostromo wrote: post #44

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

See, my only thought at that was "Really? Ubuntu? C'mon, pick a better Linux Distro!"

As much as I love the idea behind Ubuntu, it really cannot compare to OS X (or, for development, a more nerd-centric Linux distro like Arch)

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by gnaffle »

ekianjo wrote: post #87
tjogin wrote: post #63

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You can't do less with an iPad than with an Apple II, you can do a great deal more. And you can also do a great deal more with an iPad if your previous experience with computers was mostly confusing. It depends on how you define "you". Broadly, the term "you" means "people". It doesn't mean "every person under the sun, especially programmers". If we correct for misinterpretations, I would say people in general can do…

Let's compare apples to apples (pun not intended) but it is fairly obvious you cannot do AS much on a tablet as on a desktop computer. You cannot do graphic design as well, you cannot do 3d modeling, photo editing, you cannot type office documents in the most efficient way, you cannot compress movies at reasonable speeds, you cannot develop for it (although I know this is technically possible it is far from being acc…

iMovie (the ideal app for parents editing a HD video of their kids) runs just fine on an _iPhone_. And remember, this is just _two_ years into the current tablet market, so this sounds a lot like how the minicomputer and mainframe guys were laughing at PCs when they were introduced.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by nicholassmith »

bambax wrote: post #141
nicholassmith wrote: post #133

I've been a Mac user for nearly a decade, first machine I bought was a G4 12" iBook. My Uni final year project was a Cocoa app when saying "Hey I'm making a Mac App!" got you strange looks. I've also developed on Linux for work for about 5/6 years. Sometimes, even cross-platform OS X/Linux development. Has the situation changed and 'nerds' are no longer Apple's target market? Kind of. A bit. If you cared about upgrad…

> If like me you came to Apple as you had no interest in upgrading a machine, ever, at all, then they've not changed. Not true; at some point in time versions of OS X kind of stop working (no new version of Firefox or Chrome for you if you're running anything prior to 10.5 for example).

Sorry, I should have been more clear about hardware upgrading versus software upgrading. But you do raise an interesting point, as Apple progresses their software so do companies, so if Firefox and Chrome no longer work then is that the responsibility of Apple? I'd say no, and I'd say OS X 10.5 is still a mighty good OS with excellent features throughout, but I don't blame FF and Chrome for moving forward.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

pjmlp wrote: post #102
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #81

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How is this an issue with Apple fanboys? They're not the one's complaining about Apple. Surely it's an issue with the people who tend to be Open Source advocates, complaining that Apple are no longer open? Not that it's really an issue at all, it's just different strokes for different folks. With computers doing as much as they do now it's seems highly unlikely that a single company will ever fulfil all our computing…

> Surely it's an issue with the people who tend to be Open Source advocates, complaining that Apple are no longer open? The thing is that Apple was never open.

Exactly, but I don't think it's the fan boys who are complaining about it.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by gurkendoktor »

blhack wrote: post #15

Apple is making the exact same mistake the RIM made. They've gone from targeting hardcore fans, to targeting teenagers. The problem is that teenagers are quick to jump ship to the coolest new thing. Apple has been making "coolest new thing" for a while, but they're getting really popular now, which seems to be inversely proportional to "cool". For RIM, they moved away from targeting hardcore, email-addicted business…

I think the company you're explaining is Microsoft :) Both MS and RIM have released a me-too tablet with a curiously bad email client, and both have lost a lot of smartphone market share since the iPhone & Android have been introduced.

And even if Apple is treating power users badly - I certainly think they are - there is still nobody who treats them better. The BlackBerry was killed by more practical smartphones. Who will kill the Mac?

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

aidos wrote: post #105
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #81

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How is this an issue with Apple fanboys? They're not the one's complaining about Apple. Surely it's an issue with the people who tend to be Open Source advocates, complaining that Apple are no longer open? Not that it's really an issue at all, it's just different strokes for different folks. With computers doing as much as they do now it's seems highly unlikely that a single company will ever fulfil all our computing…

If you take 'Apple fanboys' to be the group who came to Apple in the early 2000s (I was amongst them) I think the parent is probably right. I fought the fights and put up with the greif for being the only developer with a Mac out of the 50 in the office. I lived on the bleeding edge - even paying for access to early unstable OS builds. I watched the OS get better and better with each release. It opened the doors to t…

I think that's a very specific definition which supports the argument but I don't really see any justification for that over, say, those who climbed on around the launch of the iPod or the iPhone. The views and expectations of those people would paint a very different picture.

There are plenty of Apple fan boys (I'm using the term in a non-prejorative way indicentally, I've got three Apple devices on my desk right now) who don't go back nearly that far.

Possibly we're just confirming that the term "fan boy" is entirely useless in any sort of real discussion?

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by stephencanon »

virtualritz wrote: post #137
czhiddy wrote: post #115

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Any user who doesn't know what Gatekeeper's purpose is (and how to disable it) probably stand to benefit from keeping it on. I imagine these people are the ones most at risk for downloading malware. People who don't want/like the walled garden can disable it trivially from the settings. For people like my mom, who clicks on any ad/link/attachment without a second thought, this will save a ton of headaches.

What about an OSS app like Darktable (which beats the sh*t out of Lightroom, in many use cases)? None of the devs has an Apple Developer account and not one of them, understandably, is prepared to churn out the 99 USD just to be able to sign the OS X flavor of their app: http://goo.gl/gzFZO Shouldn't a kick-ass app like Darktable be easily deployable by anyone, not just those who know how to circumvent the 'walled ga…

If it's really that good (I've never tried it), then surely a couple users would be willing to donate a few bucks for it to be signed (especially seeing as lightroom costs what, $150?). $99 isn't quite pocket change, but it's not big money either.

Reading the link, it seems like (some of) the devs have philosophical objections to doing that; fine. But philosophical objections aren't the same as "it can't be done".

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by JuDue »

If you want an upgradable computer, then all-in-one designs were never going to be the economical path.

Predicting this guy just needs to wait to see the next Mac Pro.

I'm still delighted with Apple.

Both iOS and OSX are prime for some rethinking (beyond a few licks of paint). But I do think Apple is in a far better position to do this well and in their own time now the Windows 8 threat has imploded on itself (somewhat ... well, at least it's not found huge momentum yet).

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