We should all keep in mind that foreign interests, primarily China, are astroturfing to drive resentment in the USA against AI and datacenters. National governments are largely viewing AI as a strategic capability. That’s not to say there aren’t downsides, but they vary quite a bit depending on location and grid capacity. I actually expect there will be major progress made on the energy efficiency and performance of…
We should all keep in mind that foreign interests may be astroturfing right here on HN.
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#142The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.
Demand crunches spur supply chain capacity improvements when the market is left alone from populist interventions.
> Demand crunches spur supply chain capacity improvements when the market is left alone from populist interventions.
what happens when the supply is from a cartel or a monopsony?Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
#143The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.
Datacenters are a effigy/proxy.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
A navy base on the contested straight of hormuz is always going to be a priority target. Militaries have pre existing contingency plans. Typically military bases don't move very fast.
A decade to realise that a military base has been resized and there is an obvious school on what used to be a part of the same property isn't fast.
>An analyst's missed remarks and US intelligence systems that weren’t connected to one another are among the missteps that investigators have surfaced while probing the cause of a missile strike on an Iranian school that killed an estimated 120 children.
>Years before the US attacked Iran in Feb, an intel analyst examining information about potential future strike targets in Iran noticed changes at a site the US had previously characterized as a man IRGC naval facility in Minab, Iran. It was, in fact, now an elementary school.
>The analyst remarked on changes at the site in a digital intelligence tool, but that tool wasn’t linked up to the official intelligence database that the US uses to develop strike targets and the information was never conveyed to military commanders, acc to people familiar.
>The analyst’s remarks, which one of the people sd were submitted in 2019, were never heeded, and the same building was reviewed multiple more times over the following years without anyone updating the targeting database. A probe into these and other issues has yet to be released.
https://x.com/KatrinaManson/status/2070624628465103340
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2026-06-26/an-analys...
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No, it doesn't. Voters decide very little in the United States. People with money decide almost everything. They have better lawyers and better lobbyists than you do.
If you go in with the assumption that democracy does not work, then there is also no point in protesting, as being angry about datacenters would mean nothing anyway.
You mean peaceful protesting. There are other kinds of protesting that may have better success.
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#147We should all keep in mind that foreign interests, primarily China, are astroturfing to drive resentment in the USA against AI and datacenters. National governments are largely viewing AI as a strategic capability. That’s not to say there aren’t downsides, but they vary quite a bit depending on location and grid capacity. I actually expect there will be major progress made on the energy efficiency and performance of…
I didn’t even express a preference for or against AI…
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I'm sure it's more than the cost of memory. The person that does all of their computing on their phone doesn't care. They do care that aspect of life is infected with this shit. From the useless "AI" chatbot that is really just a reskin of their old POS chatbot (or an "Actual Indian"), to the U. S. government talking about giving money to these companies ('cuz ol' Larry and Elon need the money), all the way to the te…
Don't forget the US government openly bragging about using AI for targeting in the Iran war, while also trying to pretend it didn't strike a school and kill a few hundred schoolchildren. (No we don't know if it was AI that made the mistake, and it's not like we're likely to get a proper investigation into it)
Yes we do, but not the AI that you're thinking of.
That AI that did it stands for Actual Idiots.
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#149We should all keep in mind that foreign interests, primarily China, are astroturfing to drive resentment in the USA against AI and datacenters. National governments are largely viewing AI as a strategic capability. That’s not to say there aren’t downsides, but they vary quite a bit depending on location and grid capacity. I actually expect there will be major progress made on the energy efficiency and performance of…
Bullshit. Nobody needs to "drive" resentment. "AI" is touching everyone's lives and in not in a good way. And nobody gives a shit what privileged, wealthy, financially-benefiting political leaders want. AI was used by the Israelis to decide what homes in Palestine to bomb. AI was used by the Trump admin to decide what buildings to target, including a school of ~200 kids. xAI was deploying numerous gas-turbine trailer…
AI is a tool, and one that governments of all stripes will use for many things, including military applications. It’s overly simplistic to say “AI was used to bomb things”. There’s always a human making the decision to hit a target or not in Israel and America. Of course, that won’t necessarily be the case in totalitarian countries…
As to hitting the school, bear in mind that it was literally part of a military base.
On energy use, there’s actually no reason to limit it unless worldwide usage grows by orders of magnitude. What does need to happen is a transition to clean sources. Natural gas isn’t ideal, but still much better than coal. However, there’s a lot of interest in modular nuclear reactors for this application, which would be fine.
As to how well current AI works, the canard “Past performance does not guarantee future results” applies. We’re just at the infancy of the tech.
Your anecdotal screeds of hate towards AI should be balanced with the numerous stories here on HN and elsewhere of people using it very successfully and happily. As to the general populace, the daily usage figures for ChatGPT and other chatbots belie the hate you’re claiming to be universal.
Finally, yes the price increases on RAM and SSDs aren’t great. This too shall pass as more capacity comes online due to the wonders of capitalism. Don’t panic! ;-)
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Complains about pollution, but still breathes the air, eh? What is your suggestion, a strongly-worded letter to the editor of your local newspaper? Arming the dumbest among us... Conveniently leaving yourself out of that group, I'm sure.