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Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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moral clarity usually sharpens the moment the last RSU hits the brokerage account

Sometimes. Sometimes not. I left with more than 4 million in RSU's left. Pretty much any Googler who leaves will be leaving lots of money on the table. This is because they are usually 3/4 year grants, so it's pretty much impossible to leave without lots of unvested RSU. There are some 1 year grants, but those are much more uncommon (~1%)

Your total comp was ~1.2 mil/year?

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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The author of this article disagrees: > “Don’t Be Evil” wasn’t just a slogan of often-referenced Googliness—it was a north star for teams making hard calls. It definitely counts for something that at least one senior leader felt the slogan was relevant for decision making.

The author is not cynical enough. Do you going around telling people how virtuous you are? No, good people just try and be good. The slogan was a red flag right from the start.

At the beginning of Google it meant "we will not be like Microsoft" and it was good marketing.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Alphabet dropped “don’t be evil” from its moto in 2015. This guy went in knowing how the sausage was being made.

Motto's, slogans, mission statements... All of these things are 100% bullshit and always have been. It's tragic that Google actually had people believing them when they championed "don't be evil".

The slogan originated in Eng, and was honest at the time, and for many years after.

It obviously got promoted by marketing for external consumption as well.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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But does it matter that it is or isn't privileged? Thats the root question. What are you trying to highlight? I have to assume you aren't trying to shame someone for moral opinion about talking about facts on the table - as that does 0 for any kind of public discourse.

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So you agree your comment provides no value to the conversation here except a kind of "check your privileges - shut down the conversation I am greater than thou perspective".

I am asking you what value are you trying to bring here to the thread with this comment? Does one have to have a qualifier statement "I have certain privileges ascribed to my life" and now make a comment? Should I be adding qualifying statements to this comment to make sure the morality police don't come finger wagging?

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Why post a Google docs copy of the original article? https://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/post/leaving-google/

The blog post is from June 19th. Google Doc from June 17th. My guess? He shared the Google Doc link with his peers, but forgot that Google Docs links are public for anyone who knows the link, so someone just forwarded it to oblivion, and he was forced to publish that as blog post. The addendums kind of reflect that. That's a great reminded that any Google Doc with a shareable link is basically a public document for a…

> That's a great reminded that any Google Doc with a shareable link is basically a public document for all intents and purposes.

As per design.

Google gives you sufficient control over access permissions. If you make it public, you have to know anyone anywhere can see it once they get the URL.

I frequently share Google docs and sheets links widely and to entirely unknown readers. That is part of the utility of the tool.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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post #146

"Enough of my equity has vested, virtue signal engage."

That’s not really how RSUs work in that situation. The number outstanding and vested each year stays pretty steady.

Yeah what he means is he got enough money over a decade and then waited until a vest day to decide it was immoral.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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I came to Google via acquisition end of 2011 and left end of 2021. Google bought my employer so it could further cement its display ads monopoly. They never had a moral compass, they just wore one in a costume so that nobody would dig too closely into their business practices. We got to wave pitchforks and ask tough questions at TGIF for a while, and march in pride parades under a Google banner, and get fed nice trea…

I could see some of that in 2011 (I started before the ipo), but it was almost all from ads. People in other parts of the company had a very different experience.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>*"You cannot explain something to somebody whose livelihood depends upon [others] not understanding..." Something. $omething. something. $teinbeck?

Upton Sinclair

Yes, that is correct:

>>"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." –Upton Sinclair

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