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Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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I'm just encouraging people to look at the website itself, not actually the particular blurb I linked

the 8 line blurb is the entire website, minus the membership signup and login. am i missing something?

i'm just saying that the structure of this aspx website doesn't pass the sniff test as being part of some large-scale data trawl in partnership with tech companies

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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> Or perhaps when Amazon facilities security encounters someone doing destructive or harmful things, then sharing that information with other companies in the city is a perfectly reasonable measure? If only there were a way to address people doing destructive or harmful things. We could even make it reachable using a telephone, with a very convenient to dial, short, easily remembered number sequence. I don't know abo…

Innocent until proven guilty only applies to the government. Again, say you run a store in the city. You encounter someone who smashes some merchandise. The police don't make an arrest because the person insists it was accidental, but you're confident it was intentional. Is it wrong to share this experience with other shopkeepers? The irony is that curbing this "private intelligence network" would require infringing…

> say you run a store in the city. You encounter someone who smashes some merchandise. The police don't make an arrest because the person insists it was accidental, but you're confident it was intentional. Is it wrong to share this experience with other shopkeepers?

When the "shopkeepers" are billion dollar corporations, and several levels of law enforcement (including national ones like immigration officials) are also on the network, I think it makes sense for the level of scrutiny to be a bit higher than your hypothetical

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Reminder if you work for any of these companies (not unlikely on this site) you are actively enabling this. If your first reaction is doubt, deflection, rationalization or discomfort, there are ways out.

If you work for any company, you're actively enabling injustices against someone , so just make a living and don't worry so much.

"There are lots of bad things" does not imply "all bad things are equally bad and therefore it's not worthwhile to try to prevent any of them"

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #142

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Innocent until proven guilty only applies to the government. Again, say you run a store in the city. You encounter someone who smashes some merchandise. The police don't make an arrest because the person insists it was accidental, but you're confident it was intentional. Is it wrong to share this experience with other shopkeepers? The irony is that curbing this "private intelligence network" would require infringing…

> say you run a store in the city. You encounter someone who smashes some merchandise. The police don't make an arrest because the person insists it was accidental, but you're confident it was intentional. Is it wrong to share this experience with other shopkeepers? When the "shopkeepers" are billion dollar corporations, and several levels of law enforcement (including national ones like immigration officials) are al…

As per the article, this isn't just used by Amazon and Meta, local non profits are also use this resource.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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archive.is is one of the domains of archive.today, which used its end users for a DDOS attack on a blog. This caused English Wikipedia to deprecate it with the end goal of blacklisting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...

Complaining about bad people is fun, don't get me wrong... but your post doesn't contain an alternative archive link. You're just siphoning people into your soapbox.

The link they did include seems to have a pretty comprehensive list of alternatives. Complaining can be fun, but it doesn't really make sense to penalize them for not being prescriptive about alternatives when the exact point they're trying to make is specific resources for this sort of thing can be prone to abuse.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #140

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Or perhaps when Amazon facilities security encounters someone doing destructive or harmful things, then sharing that information with other companies in the city is a perfectly reasonable measure? This is functionally no different than sharing your encounters with disruptive people on NextDoor.

Depends on what they consider "destructive", and it's not like there isn't already a way for contacting law enforcement when the circumstances warrant it. The Nextdoor analogy is even more apt because it's kind of notorious for being used by people to complain about all sorts of ridiculous things that don't deserve attention

Sure, but nobody tries to portray NextDoor as an "intelligence sharing network operation" and a "nationwide surveillance apparatus".

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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The thing is... under the laws as they're written today, if US Gov wants to take a peek at your stuff on FB and friends servers, FB can be barred from informing you that such a request has come in under the National Security Letter (NSL) guidelines. It's a very complicated thing :/.

I don't mean to be some annoying contrarian or something, but couldn't it be the case that if the govt was investing someone who was planning a terrorist attack, then notifying the person being investigated could work against stopping them? Not saying it wouldn't get abused though, which seems like the primary concern of most people in these discussions..

Literally anything that protects people from the law will protect criminals and terrorists too.

Fourth amendment? A terrorist might have a bomb in their trunk that the police aren't allowed to search.

Jury trial? A psychopathic murder might charm the jury into thinking they're not guilty and get released.

Prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? What if the person is actually a horrible criminal but there's reasonable doubt?

We have these protections not because they save ordinary people while still letting the government do everything possible to catch criminals, but because we think it's worth reducing the government's ability to catch criminals in exchange for fewer abuses of non-criminals.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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The thing is... under the laws as they're written today, if US Gov wants to take a peek at your stuff on FB and friends servers, FB can be barred from informing you that such a request has come in under the National Security Letter (NSL) guidelines. It's a very complicated thing :/.

I don't mean to be some annoying contrarian or something, but couldn't it be the case that if the govt was investing someone who was planning a terrorist attack, then notifying the person being investigated could work against stopping them? Not saying it wouldn't get abused though, which seems like the primary concern of most people in these discussions..

You mean like those Minnesota soccer mom “terrorists”? It’s hard to assume good faith after repeated bad faith behaviors, hence the reason our justice system is supposed to operate on evidence and a presumption of innocence, rather than “treat everyone like they aren’t a terrorist…yet..but will be if i decide they are”.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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There were a lot of articles describing Snowdon / Manning and Wikileaks releases as exactly "nothing burgers", in those journals of note that people read to tell them what to think about matters - but I'm not sure what a "nothing burger" means - pulverised cattle flesh flattened into an oval, that doesn't exist?

Is there a term for this weird autistic pseudo-nerd-sniping where someone pretends not to understand a very common expression and takes it absurdly literally to try to prove a point?

No I'm just not from the United States (or a solipsist).

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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No one is going to save us. I've recently been moved to direct action and started participating in a local indivisible.org group. It's had untold positive impacts on my personal mental state being with people trying to make things better, or at least slow the damage for now. Much of that is from going out and talking to random people on the street, handing out information and having conversations. Also quitting socia…

This just seems like a progressive PAC. Which, okay that's fine, but not exactly giving "weaker government" vibes, just "we want our team in charge for a bit" vibes. Happy to be proven wrong, though.

Yea, I hear you on that, I hold reservations from the "same thing, other side" vibes. But it is also not a PAC in the sense of being primarily about donations and political funding (in my experience thus far). It's more a grassroots coalition and the IRL vibes are way different than the online ones. Different chapters could have different vibes, I'm hanging with retired ladies who've been protesting since the 60s but also have ai curiosity and excitement (most of them anyhow). The broad labelling goes away when you meet people face2face.

My hope is also the more that people show up IRL the more representative the organization will be of us, or we the people will make a new one that can choose right from wrong instead of left vs right. The political middle has been diminished much like the middle class. :/

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