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Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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From what I can find online there is $12 billion in mortgages outstanding in the US[1] ICE has an $80 billion budget. Demand Congress pay off mortgages rather than hand Leon Skum tens of billions. There you go. Stability. [1] https://www.fhfa.gov/data/dashboard/nmdb-outstanding-residen...

That says $12,000 billion, not $12 billion. (Aside from the question of paying off mortgages being a good idea or not.)

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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It's much more than that, it will solve the deepest mysteries of the universe, not now, but in a decade, very likely.

You sound manic.

Or religious. Or both.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

My great hope for AI is that it kills social media by making 99% of content and comments untrustworthy and not worth consuming.

Doubt that. Meta got the right idea, ai influencers to your taste.

So, now people are in groups and chats full of bots posting exactly what they want to hear.

Instead of meta b it's states, companies, or individuals hoping to make money from their followers

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

maybe what we really need is a butlerian jihad

They were thinking machines at least. Here’s we’ve got a good guesser that fools 50% of the population at anytime that it’s anything but guessing.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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> But how much would you like to bet that 90% of those students who were booing also used AI to do their homework for them quite often? So your take away would be "the AI stole their education". No, they were dishonest and the AI helped them cheat themselves out of learning. This is like saying a smoker can't criticize the tobacco industry. It's entirely possible to recognize that AI in school is a huge problem while…

Again that is a problem with the group of people and how they use technology rather than the technology itself. I will die on this hill: AI _properly_ integrated into education will be a huge improvement for students because it will enable each student to have personalized instruction and tutoring.

> AI _properly_ integrated into education will be a huge improvement for students because it will enable each student to have personalized instruction and tutoring.

This is a fine thing to wish for. But literally every AI company today wants their customers to use AI as much as possible.

I, too, would like to live in a world where AI is only _properly_ integrated into education. But that is impossible without limiting its improper integration. An no AI company wants any limits on AI.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Many countries have a form of UBI, although it's not guaranteed as the meaning of UBI would in a sense, but look at France with their RSA as an example, if you have no incomes/low incomes, you are entitled to it.

Where will this ubi money come from when there is no one to tax and profits are going to tech firms based in America.

I don't have enough expertise in this field but I don't think we should be thinking only with a doomsday scenario, humans are quite resilient and innovative, society will completely change and I genuinely believe we will find ways, there will be a lot of suffering in between (and maybe after as well, as there is now) but we might eventually reach a point in automation where a lot of prices drop to the point where it's virtually free, food could be included, if we do have 24/7 machines that can build, expand, deliver and so-on with free energy somehow, it's not crazy to think that a KG of chicken could worth 10 times less than it is now, so many things could be reconsidered.

UBI could mean also that people could be living in places further away from main cities, and eventually housing will be automatically built as well so costs could drop sharply.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Why "ruins"? just because it's not made by a human? AI-made music is frankly pretty good, do you actually listen to it?

I agree, it's shockingly good these days; we can argue about morality etc, fine, but burying one's head in the sand and claiming it's bad puts you at odds with reality, which isn't a good place to be. It's pretty silly that so many people take as an axiom that the human brain basically has a monopoly on certain patterns of electrical signals, and have semi-religious beliefs that this will always be the case.

It's not that AI can't convince a novice that what comes out is passible.

It's that experts in a field generally agree that what comes out is insidiously hollow garbage.

This isn't a "semi-religious" belief. It's linear token soup and diffusion bakes running headfirst into actual expertise, second and third order effects, refined skill and taste, and so on.

If you actually want to see civilization advance, you cannot rely on machines that merely mash up existing intellectual output while pretending to have expertise.

We already had that in the form of art school avant-gardism. AI is just style transfer of that, with corporate sycophancy and valley hyperbole as a veneer.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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In writing code, yes. But has there been an actual positive impact in other fields?

support of all kind (including voice), marketing, real-estate, financial... yes, a ton of fields are being very impacted right now but right now doesn't even matter, what matter is what we know it will reach as theory will become practice.

Generally, people don't care about "fields being impacted", and the students certainly don't. People care about the impact certain technology has on their daily lives, on their welfare and the ability to pay off their mortgage and provide a decent life for their children.

The AI as it is today isn't really doing any of those things. At most, it's a sort of reliable replacement fot Google Search. Worden ehen, it's being presented as threat to all those things the people care about.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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No. It ruins art, ruins music, ruins communication and on and on. It's cancerous with respect to anything related to art or cultural value.

Why "ruins"? just because it's not made by a human? AI-made music is frankly pretty good, do you actually listen to it?

What's the point of listening to purely AI-generated music?

I don't mean music that has AI-generated stems as part of an arrangement, where a human actually created it and used AI for bits and pieces, I don't see absolutely any point on listening to purely AI-generated music. The fundamental essence of music is emotion, listening to something generated without emotion has no point, it might sound good but it's hollow and devoid of meaning.

I've tried to listen to it, it doesn't even make me "sad", it makes me feel... Nothing. I'm a hobby musician and I incorporated some AI-generated parts in some tracks where I mangled/processed them but my idea was exactly to express how hollow AI-generated music is without the human aspect.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Why would they give you a UBI? They would have no reason to do that...

Many countries have a form of UBI, although it's not guaranteed as the meaning of UBI would in a sense, but look at France with their RSA as an example, if you have no incomes/low incomes, you are entitled to it.

RSA is not UBI, UBI literally means Universal Basic Income, it's not for no income/low income people, it's universal.

You are conflating the concept of UBI with social welfare, they are different things and it's a bit annoying to see the erosion of the UBI concept into social welfare, I've noticed an uptick of this the past year or so, no idea where it's originating from...

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