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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by layoric »

stingraycharles wrote: post #134
Gigachad wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently it costs so much more to host an open model than it costs to subscribe to a much better hosted model. Which suggests it’s being massively subsidised still.

You can use open models through OpenRouter, but if you want good open models they’re actually pretty expensive fairly quickly as well.

I've found MiniMax 2.7 pretty decent and even pay-as-you-go on OpenRouter, it's $0.30/mt in, and $1.20/mt out you can get some pretty heavy usage for between $5-$10. Their token subscription is heavily subsidized, but even if it goes up or away, its pretty decent. I'm pretty hopeful for these openweight models to become affordable at good enough performance.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by layoric »

theshrike79 wrote: post #108
arjie wrote: post #15

Oh that's interesting. Right after they signed the deal with Amazon so maybe it was all compute constrained. In any case, I tried using the Codex $20/mo plan and the limits are so low I can hardly get anywhere before my agent swaps to a different agent. Somewhat suspicious that if I do this without an official Anthropic notice I'll lose my precious Max $200/mo account so I'll sit tight perhaps for a while.

Wait, how? I had an idea on a whim to vibe-engineer an irccloud replacement for myself. Started with claude web + Opus 4.7 and continued with Claude Code. Ate up two full cycles of my quota in maybe 6-10 prompts. Then I iterated on that with pi.dev+codex for HOURS, managed to use 50% of my Codex Pro subscription.

Yeah, I tried Codex pro today and the $20 plan is way more generous than Claude's, especially lately.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by stingraycharles »

layoric wrote: post #141
stingraycharles wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use open models through OpenRouter, but if you want good open models they’re actually pretty expensive fairly quickly as well.

I've found MiniMax 2.7 pretty decent and even pay-as-you-go on OpenRouter, it's $0.30/mt in, and $1.20/mt out you can get some pretty heavy usage for between $5-$10. Their token subscription is heavily subsidized, but even if it goes up or away, its pretty decent. I'm pretty hopeful for these openweight models to become affordable at good enough performance.

It’s okay, but if you compare it to eg Sonnet it’s just way too far off the mark all the time that I cannot use it.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by embedding-shape »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #110
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity

Considering Anthropic is constantly doing the opposite, I would just call it "balance".

Not that I'm some paragon when it comes to critical thinking exactly, but if there any sort of proof or evidence of Anthropic "silencing negativity"? Wouldn't surprise me, but also haven't seen anything conclusive about it either, so spreading that they are as fact, is ironically FUD itself.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by hobom »

bandrami wrote: post #85
victorbjorklund wrote: post #43

Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.

If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).

They are taking in more than they are spending hosting them. However, the cost for training the next generation of models is not covered.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by EFLKumo »

ralusek wrote: post #50
EFLKumo wrote: post #48

Whether to allow Claude subscription to access other services or not, at this point, anthropic seems to be schizophrenic, sometimes worried about insufficient computing power and sometimes worried about user loss, which is puzzling.

What's puzzling or schizophrenic about that? Those seem like two very natural factors that would be in tension with one another and have to be balanced.

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by jeremyjh »

Alifatisk wrote: post #28

> Anthropic staff told us OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again Anthropic staff have had contradictive statements in Twitter and have corrected each other. Their intent for clarifications lead to confusion. > OpenClaw treats Claude CLI reuse and claude -p usage as sanctioned for this integration unless Anthropic publishes a new policy. Oh cool, so everything is back to business now, until they all or sudde…

The most recent Anthropic announcement was not that people would be banned for using subscriptions with OpenClaw, but that it would be charged as extra usage. I think the reason this was changed three days after that announcement is that being charged for extra usage meant people would not be banned for using their subscription OAuth tokens directly against the Anthropic API with a third party harness, as they had been before. But rather both that usage, and the more recent claude -p usage both be charged as extra usage.

I don't see anything on this page that claims something different from that, or that addresses that claim at all.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by theshrike79 »

layoric wrote: post #142
theshrike79 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, how? I had an idea on a whim to vibe-engineer an irccloud replacement for myself. Started with claude web + Opus 4.7 and continued with Claude Code. Ate up two full cycles of my quota in maybe 6-10 prompts. Then I iterated on that with pi.dev+codex for HOURS, managed to use 50% of my Codex Pro subscription.

Yeah, I tried Codex pro today and the $20 plan is way more generous than Claude's, especially lately.

I've had the cheapest personal tier for both since forever and I think I've run out of Codex quota _once_.

With Claude it's a constant battle of typing /usage after every iteration and trying to guess if it's enough for the next task or not =)

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