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Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

queuebert wrote: post #131
frankling_ wrote: post #40

The recent announcement to reject review articles and position papers already smelled like a shift towards a more "opinionated" stance, and this move smells worse. The vacuum that arXiv originally filled was one of a glorified PDF hosting service with just enough of a reputation to allow some preprints to be cited in a formally published paper, and with just enough moderation to not devolve into spam and chaos. It ha…

> Unfortunately, over the years, arXiv has become something like a "venue" in its own right, ... In my experience as a publishing scientist, this is partly because publishing with "reputable" journals is an increasingly onerous process, with exorbitant fees, enshittified UIs, and useless reviews. The alternative is to upload to arXiv and move on with your life.

That’s true. But that’s separate than the use in ML in Blockchain circles as a form of a marketing - using academic appearances.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by sanex »

binsquare wrote: post #41
kolinko wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article lists the reasons quite clearly.

For everyone else, The reason is because arxiv is growing significantly leading to 297,000 deficit in operating costs for 2025 alone. Corenell has helped with donation a long with other organizations that pay membership fees. As a result, donors + leaders of arxiv think it's best to spin off to increase funding.

Now they're going to have a deficit of 600,000 in operating costs.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

mort96 wrote: post #82
swiftcoder wrote: post #65

> raised concerns about the proposed $300,000 salary for arXiv’s new CEO, saying it seemed high Is a mid-to-high engineering salary outlandish for a CEO of what is likely to be a fairly major non-profit? Even non-profits have to be somewhat competitive when it comes to salary, and the ideal candidate is likely someone who would be balancing this against a tenured position at a major university

Salaries in the US are so bonkers. Everywhere else outside of the US, $300,000 is an outlandish high salary. To call it "mid to high" is insane.

Note that you are seeing an explicit tradeoff of different economic systems.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by [deleted] »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #87
mort96 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Salaries in the US are so bonkers. Everywhere else outside of the US, $300,000 is an outlandish high salary. To call it "mid to high" is insane.

Yes the obvious play is to move human labor to cheaper countries like France (including CEO of course).

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Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

0x3f wrote: post #103
HappyPanacea wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

arXiv's CEO doesn't need to be a tenured professor equivalent it is a preprint repository ffs.

It's a bit more complex than an S3 bucket though because the value comes from the reputation network, which can't really be replicated easily. Though, saying that, I suppose all the reputation data is kind of public. Apart from emails/accounts.

> It's a bit more complex than an S3 bucket

It’s even less. I would bet if it’s not now, for the vast majority of its life it was a machine at someone’s desk at Cornell.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by mort96 »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #137
mort96 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does cities like San Francisco not have janitors? Waiters? Food delivery drivers? Or do those jobs command a six-figure salary too? If they can live comfortably in the city on a five-figure salary, maybe the argument that "cost of living is so high in SF that you can't live without a $300,000/year salary" is just a little bit overblown? I can not imagine what one could possibly need $300,000 per year for unless an ap…

> I can not imagine what one could possibly need $300,000 per year for unless an apartment costs like $200,000 per year. Being able to afford unpredictable expenses and not have it bankrupt you. In the US, that would include healthcare. Everywhere in the world, that would be useful if you were laid off.

To build an emergency fund, you just need an income that's a bit higher than your expenses. If you earn $60,000 after tax per year, and spend $50,000 per year, you have a decent $10,000 emergency fund after one year and a massive $100,000 emergency fund after a decade. You don't need $300,000 per year to save.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by swed420 »

Hendrikto wrote: post #102
bonoboTP wrote: post #69

I fear their Mozilla-ification and Wikipedia-ification. Scope creep, various outreach feel-good programs, ballooning costs, lost focus etc. And other types of enshittification. Any change to the basic premise will be a negative step. They should just be boring quiet unopininionated neutral background infrastructure.

> Mozilla-ification All the Mozilla executives have done for the last 15+ years is * lay off developers * spend lots of money on stupid side projects nobody asked for or wants * increase their own salaries and all that with the backdrop of falling quality, market share, and relevance. I would happily donate to Firefox, but this fucked up organization will never see a single cent from me. They will spend it on anythin…

> It might already be too late, and we will be left with a browser monopoly.

Ladybird continues to have the appearance of making progress, fwiw:

https://ladybird.org/newsletter/2026-02-28/

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by ZpJuUuNaQ5 »

mort96 wrote: post #82
swiftcoder wrote: post #65

> raised concerns about the proposed $300,000 salary for arXiv’s new CEO, saying it seemed high Is a mid-to-high engineering salary outlandish for a CEO of what is likely to be a fairly major non-profit? Even non-profits have to be somewhat competitive when it comes to salary, and the ideal candidate is likely someone who would be balancing this against a tenured position at a major university

Salaries in the US are so bonkers. Everywhere else outside of the US, $300,000 is an outlandish high salary. To call it "mid to high" is insane.

>Salaries in the US are so bonkers.

Sure, but the cost of living there is significantly higher as well. Anyway, I can hardly even comprehend these kinds of sums, though I am a bit of an outlier, as I earn around $27,700 as an SWE in Europe, which is low even by the standards of companies in my own country.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Post by jjk166 »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #141
queuebert wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately, over the years, arXiv has become something like a "venue" in its own right, ... In my experience as a publishing scientist, this is partly because publishing with "reputable" journals is an increasingly onerous process, with exorbitant fees, enshittified UIs, and useless reviews. The alternative is to upload to arXiv and move on with your life.

That’s true. But that’s separate than the use in ML in Blockchain circles as a form of a marketing - using academic appearances.

That sounds more like an issue of certain fields having crappy standards because the people in those fields benefit from crappy standards than an issue with the site they happen to host papers on.
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