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Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by esseph »

quesera wrote: post #58
thewhitetulip wrote: post #37

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Can't expect Western media to write well. I saw a funnt reel today. It's Italy to Americans but Eye-ran and Eye-raq...

There's no reason for Italy and Iran/Iraq to be pronounced similarly. (Cf Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Idaho?) But FWIW, the EYE-rack thing is because GWB (most prominently, but others before and after) intentionally mispronounced the name of the country, in a "real american" kind of way, and also to annoy SAD-dumb Hussein as a kind of "we're stupid but we're going to kill you anyway" kind of psyop. Or maybe just "we dis…

I've lived in over a dozen states and I've never heard either called anything other than EYE-(ran/raq) in conversation.

The extremely, I mean extremely rare occasion when someone pronounces it differently on TV, it's almost like they get side-eyed by other people as trying to "talk fancy".

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by roadside_picnic »

butILoveLife wrote: post #4

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Sounds like you don't have a lot of remote work experience.

The majority of my career (years before the pandemic) has been remote work. I find in office work painfully slow. I pair program quite often remote, and when someone gets stuck we also "just talk". Honestly I prefer screen sharing to leaning over someone's shoulder (much easier to doing supporting work in parallel).

I find it really depends on the type of org though. Large corporate places do tend to suffer from remote work because so much of the work is performative anyway. Remote small companies and startups the velocity is very high, but you do need more senior people capable of independent work.

Especially when you factor in the easy of "after hours" work, the amount of emergency stuff I've shipped around midnight is incomparable to the 'in office' equivalent.

Though I suspect the key word here is "my 2 programmers", I find managers don't feel like their doing work unless they're physically watching it get done.

Not understanding how to run a remote team is not the same as remote teams not being effective in principle.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by electrosphere »

ray_v wrote: post #48
electrosphere wrote: post #20

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I'm introverted but very glad I have the option of working from the office and being among fellow staff, we also have a lunchtime exercise club once a week. It's much better for my mental health. In fact, I've added two days working outside of home instead of one because of the benefits. I think 3 days home/2 days office is the sweet spot.

We've been slowly creeping back toward being fully RTO, and my mental health has been in what I can only describe as "steep decline". I don't know if I pin it all on RTO, but it sure isn't helping the situation. I love my job, but hate the in-office requirements - I'm a systems admin.

Sorry to hear that. Being a sysadmin, I guess you're mainly interacting with systems rather than people and need to focus. They should exempt you from RTO except for the odd "all hands" meeting days.

I'm a software engineer in a Product Engineering team and it's about 75% hands-on engineering, 25% Slack/Teams interaction and alignments between people. I find being in the office helps to make connections with other staff in other teams (eg. bumping into people while making coffee in staff kitchen etc). I think thats important from a career perspective.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by 0x457 »

pzo wrote: post #113
0x457 wrote: post #99

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Because there was a lot of cultural cross-contamination between these countries, there is a huge overlap in ingredients due to climate similarities and trade between neighboring countries. I group European & American food into their respective groups as well. > Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel cris... Makes no sense, same with "I'm in a mood for asian food"

> Makes no sense, same with "I'm in a mood for asian food" Thai, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indian food / cuisine even thought different is more probably closer to each other same like e.g. Polish and Spanish is closer to each other than to most other asian cuisine.

Asian countries developed with more overlap in basic ingredients, cooking techniques, and historical influence networks than Europe did. Historically there were 3 influence zones in Asia. There is a lot of pickling, fermenting, salting, drying. In Asia of these techniques were more or less unified. Fish sauces from different countries are Pepsi vs Coca-Cola level of difference.

> Polish and Spanish is closer to each other than to most other asian cuisine.

I'd say Polish has a lot of similarities with Asian cuisine. Sure, both have stews and sausages, but flavor profiles are very different: acidic vs sour.

I won't be able to tell difference between gyoza & wonton if they shaped the same, but surely I can tell difference between ravioli & uszka. Uszka is IMO closer to any dumpling from Asia than to anything European.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by jstummbillig »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #120
jstummbillig wrote: post #107

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Because that is how it's presented to "us". If the cuisine that we could access where we live was more diverse, we would think differently about the entire set (which is not happening for another set of entirely good reasons, but alas.)

I don't know about that. Japanese food and Thai food have very little in common besides rice. Possibly there is some overlap in curry but not much.

Sure. And most people I knew are able to differentiate between "sushi" and "Thai curry".

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by ragazzina »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #11

I've long said that WFH is an easy win climate change solution that costs nothing, is well loved by everyone who participates (except management). Turns out in times like this, it's also an energy security measure.

I love WFH but how is it a win climate change solution for anyone outside of the USA? If my office building WFH, instead of heating a building we need to heat 500 people homes all day. And most of the people commute by public transport.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by starkparker »

butILoveLife wrote: post #4

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> if you want to justify WFH, introverted-like people do not get the same level of benefit as extroverted-like people in this situation

I'm introverted and did just fine in an office, because the company culture was that coworkers all talked to each other about how they preferred to work (preferably no more often than once a quarter) and then respected that. When we moved to WFH during lockdown, that practice continued.

I've also WFH at remote-first companies that did not practice, encourage, or enforce ICs communicating to find and document better ways to work together, and have not been served remotely as well by the result.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by roadside_picnic »

butILoveLife wrote: post #27
alexjplant wrote: post #18

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> I know its unpopular to say, but when I have my 2 programmers in office, we get sooo much more done than at home. Someone gets stuck and we don't message/call, we just talk. The technology exists to "just talk" in high-definition audio and video. If somebody isn't asking for help when they're stuck that's a people problem, not a remote work problem. There are several possible reasons for their avoidance; if multipl…

But it gets solved when we are in-person. We could develop new technology, research culture solutions... or... meet in-person.

> develop new technology, research culture solutions.

The technology and culture solutions have existed and been evolving for 20 years. It really sounds like your experience with remote work is not representative.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by butILoveLife »

a456463 wrote: post #86
butILoveLife wrote: post #27

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But it gets solved when we are in-person. We could develop new technology, research culture solutions... or... meet in-person.

you can just send "hey you got 5 mins"? you have to do that in person. you do that on chat. nothing different. this is a made up reason. I do this all day, everyday

I'm the manager. They do not send that message. They either are trying and never giving up, or... doing dishes.

I check in, and it ends up being story time about non-issues.

In person, its a 'hows it going?' and they say either 'good, still working' or 'stuck...'.

I would love if WFH was as effective. I could reduce my labor costs and probably have happier workers.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by jawns »

phantom784 wrote: post #103
bilsbie wrote: post #67

I wish we’d all go to four day work weeks. Over My whole life, 5 out of 7 full days of work always felt so daunting and almost dehumanizing. But 4/7 is mentally close to half and just feels way different qualitatively. If you have a job you mostly like, 4 days a week feels really sustainable.

I've been working 4/10 schedule (4 days, but 10 hours/day, so I still work 40 hours). It's a HUGE perk, and is the biggest thing keeping me at my current job.

Care to share how you snagged that?
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