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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by no-name-here »

falkensmaize wrote: post #109
simianwords wrote: post #65

It’s strange to see extreme amount of hysteria on this. There’s enough market competition to not allow this. If ChatGPT is doing it then just move to Claude. If all are doing it then surely opensource models are a good alternative. But i think leaning into the hysteria provides some comfort

The cost to train and run these things is going to lead to fewer players eventually. I suspect we end up with 2 or 3 big players in 10 years.

1. Open source models are already at Sonnnet 4.5 levels. For a lot of people’s needs, that's going to be sufficient.

2. Costs will come down as more efficient AI hardware continues to roll out, and once demand eventually catches up with supply in the coming years.

3. So super low cost (or free ad-supported) options will exist, and people will only pay more (in money or ads) for superior quality.

… unless training sources become pay to play?

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by vel0city »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #138
WarmWash wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Examples would be the best way to prove me wrong. Most (all?) streaming services offer an ad-free plan, and those are the most popular hybrid payment services by far.

Cable TV in the 80s started out ad free. Then they realized they could only grow revenues at the rate they wanted with ads.

> Cable TV in the 80s started out ad free.

This is untrue in the US. There were ad supported cable TV channels before 1980. Most of the first cable TV channels were ad supported from the start or adopted advertising within the first few years of going on-air. For example, TBS, ESPN, and USA had ads from day one, with those launching in 1976, 1980, and 1977 respectively. Nickelodeon was ad-free at its launch in 1979 but adopted advertising in 1984.

And this also ignores that for decades before "cable" was just all the broadcast stations piped over coax as a paid service. That had ads, since those broadcast stations had ads. And even when cable channels did start appearing, most of the channels on the dial we're still these broadcast channels. So most content you were paying for had ads since day one.

There were ads from the start.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by no-name-here »

lateforwork wrote: post #132

When Google AdWords first launched its text ads appeared only on the right-hand side of the Google search results page, separate from the main organic listings. See screenshot below. I expect ChatGPT ads will be similar. Ads won't be incorporated into the chat responses. https://pplx-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/pplx_search_ima...

I think you're right, and openAI had said ads will be separate from responses (although no-one can predict the long term).

Although your screenshot also has an ad at the top of the results.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by patrickmay »

bensyverson wrote: post #130
api wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this avoidable? These things cost money to run. Who pays if not with ads? There will I’m sure be the ability to pay and not have ads just like there is on streaming platforms, podcasts, etc. Or should there be tax supported free AI?

Eventually the price of RAM will revert to the mean and start going down again. GPU power will continue to climb. Model efficiency (intelligence per billion params) will increase. These trends combined will mean that eventually it will seem old-fashioned to use a remotely-hosted model for anything other than the most demanding tasks. Just as we don't use mainframes for computation anymore outside of niche tasks like…

> Just as we don't use mainframes for computation anymore outside of niche tasks like 3D render farms.

The entire banking sector would like a word.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by Moosdijk »

nickk81 wrote: post #2

We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

Is a future of what it could look like or what it will look like?

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by evrenesat »

technothrasher wrote: post #139
sidewndr46 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon prime! A paid service with advertisements for the original content no one wants to watch.

You know something went wrong when I've got an Amazon Prime account, but I still pirate any of their video content that I want to watch.

I do exactly same, even uninstalled their shitty tv app which managed to be stay slower than other streaming apps for many years, even on fire tv stick.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by 1over137 »

smilespray wrote: post #78
aduty wrote: post #28

You forgot the part where they charge you to get rid of the ads but then the ads come back anyway so you're paying to be the product.

YouTube Premium Lite! You know, with ads. That you pay to watch.

I never understood this with cable TV either. You could use an antenna and watch TV over the air (with ads) or you could pay for cable and still watch ads!

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by wibbily »

lateforwork wrote: post #132

When Google AdWords first launched its text ads appeared only on the right-hand side of the Google search results page, separate from the main organic listings. See screenshot below. I expect ChatGPT ads will be similar. Ads won't be incorporated into the chat responses. https://pplx-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/pplx_search_ima...

> When Google AdWords first launched

Exactly, they’ll be kept separate.

For now.

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Post by imglorp »

nickk81 wrote: post #2

We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

The darkest monetization is biased output from the bot.

Tech question? Steer you to its cloud. Medical question? Steer you towards a sponsored treatment. Or maybe the mechanism of injury needs this lawyer to compensate?

Oh and I infer from your chat history you're about to expect a child. That house is probably too small now, so our realtor in that neighborhood can help!

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by moron4hire »

WarmWash wrote: post #126
moron4hire wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy: YouTube. You cannot purchase a completely ad free experience on YouTube.

Creators including ads in their videos are not part of youtube. Youtube does not get a cut from those ads or play any role in making them. I know it's confusing, but those ads are part of the creator's videos that the creators put there themselves with deals they brokered outside of youtube. Youtube likely tolerates it because even with a 60% revenue share going go creators, often half of viewers pay nothing (no ad v…

YouTube has control of their platform. They have enough control to detect and demonetize people when they say such "harmful" and "dangerous" words as "kill" and "sex". This is further evidenced by the fact that they provide the sponsored segment skip feature that you reference[0]. They know this is going on and they allow it, despite it ruining the service that members pay for.

If content creators can't live off of the ad revenue that YouTube offers, then that is another thing to lump the blame of at the feet of YouTube. They not only turn a blind eye to content creators ruining the service I pay for, YouTube is the one themselves who has created the conditions in which the content creator feels the need to pursue external advertising.

There is obvioulsy enough advertising money in the world to support both YouTube and content creators, because that is exactly what is happening right now: advertisers are paying either YouTube or the content creator directly. For some reason, a lot of content creators can't make it by just working with YouTube, despite there being enough advertiser demand for it. That tells me that YouTube is being stingy.

[0] Which, BTW, many content creators are not properly marking up their videos to allow for the skip feature to work.

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