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Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by alsetmusic »

goatlover wrote: post #107
rayiner wrote: post #92

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America is a nation of immigrants, including Stephen Miller's grandparents. People have tried to make this sort of argument in the past when they didn't want poor Irish, Germans, Italians, Asians looking for opportunity, not to mention there's always been a Latino immigrant population.

You missed the part where a racist asshole gets to abuse people who aren't white.

I lit my relationship with my mother on fire because she voted for the man responsible for hurting people a third time. Once, you were fooled. Twice, you were dumb. Three times, you're racist.

If I were steven miller [doesn't deserve caps], I'd be having a great time.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by hulitu »

stackskipton wrote: post #85
jshier wrote: post #82

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The nuances of criminal procedure may not apply, but the fundamental constitutional rights still do, as well as human rights. Indeterminate detention violates both.

Indeterminate detention without end goal violates the law. However, my guess is process is moving along, just extremely slowly.

cough Guantanamo, and other places cough.

And being detained for months, without trial, really shows the rule of the law

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by donkeybeer »

hikkerl wrote: post #127
throw20251220 wrote: post #113

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Sure. It still doesn’t change the fact that their ancestors performed a genocide on the natives.

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LMFAO LMFAO. EXACTLY AS I HAD PREDICTED. I bet from his overdramatic exaggerations about downvotes meaning "censorship" a situation whre literally no mod powers were invoked, that I bet this idiots psychotic hallucinations probably drama queen and exaggerate in his imagination travel and marriage as violent murderous genocide too. I was absolutely on point!

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by donkeybeer »

wang_li wrote: post #101
throw20251220 wrote: post #71

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Why would I condemn people who were wiped by your ancestors? They were the locals, you’re just… temporary. You don’t even care for the land!

There is no single "the locals", every tribe represented a different polity. They warred with each other constantly and conquered and took over land all the time. There is no part of the continent that is held by the original human that arrived here first. Every part has been conquered and reconquered many times. The Europeans are just the latest conquerors. Except in the cases where they literally bought the land. W…

This hikkerl idiot really thinks downvotes are "censorship" and immigration is murderous genocide lmfao. Just how hilariously fucked in the head this hikkerl entity you are trying to talk to is lmfao.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46906678

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by hikkerl »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #135
hikkerl wrote: post #134

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I don't see what violence gets them, just people die and the conclusion will still be the same. I love immigrants and don't care if my skin color is no longer common, heck I experienced this already when spending 9 years in China. 200-300 years from now we all would have mixed up anyways, we are all humans afterall and who is to say that certain humans have the right to prosperity while others don't based ancestry (b…

Traitors first. Shame on you.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by alexgieg »

rootusrootus wrote: post #80
alexgieg wrote: post #74

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In your view, is legality always and invariably the same as justice? In other words, are all laws just, and all that's just is codified as law?

> always and invariably When you frame a question as an absolute, I feel comfortable answering no. If you have a real philosophical argument you want to make, go for it.

You said what happened to him was just. Most people I've seen have taken the position it was legal but unjust.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by alexgieg »

rayiner wrote: post #94
alexgieg wrote: post #74

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In your view, is legality always and invariably the same as justice? In other words, are all laws just, and all that's just is codified as law?

Just includes citizens being able to decide the terms and conditions on which outsiders are allowed into their country. Being able to decide the conditions for immigration is a fundamental consequence of the right of self determination.

It seems US citizens are quite divided on this, which suggests there's intense dissatisfaction with the law as is, and therefore the need to re-legislate the topic following the current will of the majority.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by cherry_tree »

rayiner wrote: post #36
rottingchris wrote: post #15

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> But U.S. law prohibits illegal immigrants from getting a green card Your link and quote does not support this specific claim. The law linked is about naturalization and not about being granted permanent resident status.

Sorry, you're right. The provision that applies that to green cards is 8 USC 1255. There was a Supreme Court case about this recently: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-315_q713.pdf

> Section 1255 generally requires a lawful admission before a person can obtain LPR status. Sanchez was not lawfully admitted, and his TPS does not alter that fact. He therefore cannot become a permanent resident of this country.

Do you have any evidence this man entered the USA illegally? Seems to me he obviously had a 90 day tourist visa when he entered the country at least. Sounds like lawful admission to me.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Post by 0xy »

panda-giddiness wrote: post #137
0xy wrote: post #17

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Yes it does. He mentions he was able to work because of an Employment Authorization Document associated with his pending I-485 Adjustment of Status, but has been in the US for 20 years. There is no US visa that allows living there for 20 years without work authorization. He entered illegally (or overstayed illegally) then tried to adjust status based on marriage, which is fraud.

Entering illegally != Overstaying a visa. That may sound like a distinction without a difference to you, but legally they provide very different avenues for acquiring a residency permit.

We now know he entered under the Visa Waiver Program, which explicitly prohibits adjusting status for any reason. So yeah, it's immigration fraud, and a massive overstay of 20 years.

We also now know a judge refused his Habeas corpus petition, and he has a final order of removal -- signed by a judge, not an administrator.

He also refused to be deported to Ireland.

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