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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by graemep »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #56
bigiain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy. That's a big deal to some of us. Especially important it the demonstration that your privacy which Google et al, are so insistent on monetizing, does not mean they are charging you less for the same services that other companies can charge when you are paying only with your money, not your privacy as well.

> USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy. I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, and the latest news is that they're still trying / succeeding on some fronts. Please don't reduce such complicated matters to red vs. blue, it's really more complicated and there are no easy solutions anywhere.

> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control,

Chat control is an EU thing. The article is about a move to Proton which is Swiss and therefore outside the EU and not directly affected by chat control or other EU laws. Of course the EU might make it illegal for them to supply their services to EU countries, but then no platform anywhere can avoid that problem.

On the whole EU govt surveillance (assuming you live in the EU) is better than EU govt surveillance plus US govt surveillance plus big tech surveillance.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by tapete1 »

nocchedure wrote: post #8

I’m heavily invested in the Google ecosystem and nothing would make me happier than switching to a privacy-focused European alternative. However, the value of the Google Workspace* mid-tier (approx. 15€) is hard to beat, I think. I get: - granular domain \ email controls (blocklists, routing rules, etc.) - 2tb of google drive space - and now Gemini, which is quite nice It’s 2025, and I’m still finding it impossible t…

You can get all the domain stuff for less than 1 € from any competent hoster, e.g. netcup. For cloud drive, if you really want to put your own files on someone else's server, there are tons of cheaper options, e.g. 2 TB for 10 €/month from strato. Gemini is of course something that no one needs.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cess11 »

graemep wrote: post #135
PeterStuer wrote: post #96

Does Proton have transactional email already? Back when I was looking it did not seem to have it and I went with Zoho (not EU, I know) instead.

Proton is not EU either. it is Swiss.

The FADP is very similar to GDPR.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by allan_s »

crapple8430 wrote: post #129
allan_s wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also agree on "for personal things we don't need SaaS" and I would say do we even needs self hosted in the sense of a central server. By that I mean, could we have like for firefox , heavy clients but with client to client sync. The goal is to not need to have a always online machine while still solving the "i prefer if my emails are copied both on my laptop and my phones" . Especially as nearly all my devices are…

Firefox sync clearly requires a central server. For any kind of peer to peer syncing to work you must have the machines on at the same time and accessible. And then there is the issue of NATs, including CGNATs. To work reliably these almost always have to have some kind of relays anyway (Tailscale's DERP, Syncthing also has relays). For the experience an average consumer expects, you at a minimum need a central short…

Yes sorry I meant firefox not for the way its sync , but in the way its a heavy client you install. As said for me most of my devices will be at some times during the week in the same nat so that no centralized server even short lived should be needed. And for personnal use, I only care if the device I have on me is the one with latest data especially as for most use case I'm the only one reading/ writing , so eventually consistency is not an issue

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cess11 »

LtdJorge wrote: post #114
lostlogin wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably know but Substacks’ free speech thing is a huge turn off. That’s how you end up sending push notifications for your latest Nazi content. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/substacks-nazi-p... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/substack-e...

Unfortunate as that notification error might be, you cannot call free speech free if you only allow if for some opinions.

"Free speech" is a thing between persons and the state. It does not require persons to accommodate nazis.

Some corporations claim otherwise because they think nazis are good for business.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by allan_s »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #115
allan_s wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also agree on "for personal things we don't need SaaS" and I would say do we even needs self hosted in the sense of a central server. By that I mean, could we have like for firefox , heavy clients but with client to client sync. The goal is to not need to have a always online machine while still solving the "i prefer if my emails are copied both on my laptop and my phones" . Especially as nearly all my devices are…

Perhaps you might like syncthing?

Yes what would be better is a "libsyntching" that i can plug to a software so that it does not require additional brain power, i.e install Note app on device A and B, pair them once, fire and forget.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by graemep »

utopiah wrote: post #67
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I don't think anyone seriously thinks the USA doesn't have access to all the EU data.

That's a bold claim, are you implying that encryption is a scam?

All is hyperbole, but given the reach of big tech combined with intelligence gathering it probably does have that access to almost all. Not because of lack of encryption but because there are so many routes to getting that data. The combination of US domination of cloud services with even greater domination of device OSes the US has access to most data if it wants to.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by graemep »

cess11 wrote: post #143
graemep wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proton is not EU either. it is Swiss.

The FADP is very similar to GDPR.

I am not saying its a bad thing, I am saying it is inaccurate.

GDPR like law and no chat control sounds pretty good.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by graemep »

coldtea wrote: post #136
graemep wrote: post #134

It is not an EU based stack. Proton is Swiss and Switzerland is not in the EU.

Close enough

Its close, but its not the EU. Would you describe using British services as an "all-EU stack?

I am not saying its a bad thing. It may well be better than the EU (I do not know the current state of Swiss law).

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