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I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by n4r9 »

signatoremo wrote: post #110
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam Altman literally said he didn't know how anyone could raise a baby without using a chatbot. We're living in some very weird times right now.

He didn’t say “how could anyone”. His words: "I cannot imagine figuring out how to raise a newborn without ChatGPT. Clearly, people did it for a long time, no problem." Basically he didn’t know much about newborn and relied on ChatGPT for answers. That was a self deprecating attempt on a late night show. Like every other freaking guests would do, no matter how cliché. With a marketing slant of course. He clearly said…

> One example given by Altman was meeting another father and hearing that this dad's six-month-old son had already started crawling, while Altman's had not. That prompted Altman to go to the bathroom and ask ChatGPT questions about when the average child crawls and if his son is behind.

> The OpenAI CEO said he "got a great answer back" and was told that it was normal for his son not to be crawling yet.

To be fair, that is a relatable anxiety. But I can't imagine Altman having the same difficulties as normal parents. He can easily pay for round the clock childcare including during night-times, weekends, mealtimes, and sickness. Not that he does, necessarily, but it's there when he needs it. He'll never know the crushing feeling of spending all day and all night soothing a coughing, congested one-year-old whilst feeling like absolute hell himself and having no other recourse.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by romaniv »

The fact that everyone is now constantly forced to use (oftentimes faulty) personal heuristics to determine whether or not they read slop is the real problem here.

AI companies and some of their product users relentlessly exploit the communication systems we've painstakingly built up since 1993. We (both readers and writers) shouldn't be required to individually adapt to this exploitation. We should simply stop it.

And yes, I believe that the notion this exploitation is unstoppable and inevitable is just crude propaganda. This isn't all that different from the emergence of email spam. One way or the other this will eventually be resolved. What I don't know is whether this will be resolved in a way that actually benefits our society as a whole.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

codeflo wrote: post #74

To my eyes, this author doesn't write like ChatGPT at all. Too many people focus on the em-dashes as the giveaway for ChatGPT use, but they're a weak signal at best. The problem is that the real signs are more subtle, and the em-dash is very meme-able, so of course, armies of idiots hunt down any user of em-dashes. Update: To illustrate this, here's a comparison of a paragraph from this article: > It is a new frontie…

The article is engaging. That's true of practically zero GPT output. Particularly once it stretches beyond a single paragraph.

As a reader, I persistently feel like I just zoned out. I didn't. It's just the mind responding to having absorbed zero information despite reading a lot of–at face value–text that seems like it was written with purpose.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by vultour »

This post doesn't read anything like ChatGPT. Correct grammar does not indicate ChatGPT. Em-dashes don't indicate ChatGPT. Assessing whether something was generated using an LLM requires multiple signals, you can't simply decry a piece of text as AI-generated because you noticed an uncommon character.

Unfortunately I think posts like this only seem to detract from valid criticisms. There is an actual ongoing epidemic of AI-generated content on the internet, and it is perfectly valid for people to be upset about this. I don't use the internet to be fed an endless stream of zero-effort slop that will make me feel good. I want real content produced by real people; yet posts like OP only serve to muddy the waters when it comes to these critiques. They latch onto opinions of random internet bottom-feeders (a dash now indicates ChatGPT? Seriously?), and try to minimise the broader skepticism against AI content.

I wonder whether people like the Author will regret their stance once sufficient amount of people are indoctrinated and their content becomes irrelevant. Why would they read anything you have to say if the magic writing machine can keep shitting out content tailored for them 24/7?

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

rukshn wrote: post #28

I had a similar experience. We were talking about a colleague for using ChatGPT in our WhatsApp group chat to sound smart and coming up with interesting points. The talk sounds so mechanical and sounds exactly as ChatGPT. His responses in Zoom Calls were the same mechanical and sounds like AI generated. I even checked one of his responses in WhatsApp if it's AI by asking the Meta AI whether it's AI written, and Meta…

> We were talking about a colleague for using ChatGPT in our WhatsApp group chat to sound smart and coming up with interesting points.

How dare they.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by elzbardico »

BS. ChatGPT writes in the sterile and boring manner of the average graduate of business, marketing or journalism: it is dull, safe, somewhat pompous but professional, the ideal style for corporate communication.

Basically, for two reasons:

1) A giant portion of all internet text was written by those same folks. 2) Those folks are exactly the people anyone would hire to RLHF the models to have a safe, commercially desirable output style.

I am pretty convinced the models could be more fluent, spontaneous and original, but then it could jeopardize the models' adoption in the corporate world, so, I think the labs intentionally fine-tuned this style to death.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by embedding-shape »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #113
embedding-shape wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My editor? I don't think it cares what I input into it, it's just a program. As long as I feed it characters it'll happily tick along as always.

The parent comment is referring to a human editor, not a text editor.

Huge assumption on their side then, isn't the context "humans writing for other humans"? Not sure how "publication editors" entered the conversation nor from where.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by [deleted] »

rcarmo wrote: post #123
komali2 wrote: post #80

> There were unspoken rules, commandments passed down from teacher to student, year after year. The first commandment? Thou shalt begin with a proverb or a powerful opening statement. “Haste makes waste,” we would write, before launching into a tale about rushing to the market and forgetting the money. The second? Thou shalt demonstrate a wide vocabulary. You didn’t just ‘walk’; you ‘strode purposefully’, ‘trudged we…

I'm bilingual (so not fully native by most criteria) and I read enough classic English literature to actually use "proceeded" regularly, as well as multiple other more established means of conveying my intended meaning :)

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Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

hammock wrote: post #97
lm28469 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know someone who was camping in a tent next to a river during a storm, took a pic of the stream and asked chatgpt if it was risky to sleep there given that it "rained a lot" ... People are unplugging their brains and are not even aware that their questions cannot be answered by llms, I witnessed that with smart and educated people, I can't imagine how bad it's going to be during formative years

Why can’t llm answer that question? Photo itself ought to be enough for a bit of information (more than the bozo has to begin with, at least), and ideally its pulling location from metadata and pulling flash flood risk etc from the area

Probably the correct answer the LLM should give is "if you have to ask, definitely don't do that". Or... it can start asking diagnostic questions, expert-system style.

But yeah, I can imagine a multi-modal model actually might have more information and common sense than a human in a (for them) novel situation.

If only to say "don't be an idiot", "pick higher ground" . Or even just as a rubber duck!

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