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I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

lm28469 wrote: post #47
mort96 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I even checked one of his responses in WhatsApp if it's AI by asking the Meta AI whether it's AI written, and Meta AI also agreed that it's AI written I will never understand why some people apparently think asking a chat bot whether text was written by a chat bot is a reasonable approach to determining whether text was written by a chat bot.

I know someone who was camping in a tent next to a river during a storm, took a pic of the stream and asked chatgpt if it was risky to sleep there given that it "rained a lot" ... People are unplugging their brains and are not even aware that their questions cannot be answered by llms, I witnessed that with smart and educated people, I can't imagine how bad it's going to be during formative years

Sam Altman literally said he didn't know how anyone could raise a baby without using a chatbot. We're living in some very weird times right now.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by nout »

Well, his writing style is too good. The sentences flow too beautifully, he uses rich vocabulary and styling. It's unusual to see that style of writing online. I definitely don't poses that power.

I don't know the author of this article and so I don't know whether I should feel good or bad about this. LLMs produce better writing than most people can and so when someone writes this eloquently, then most people will assume that it's being produced by LLM. The ride in the closed horse carriage was so comfortable it felt like being in a car and so people assumed it was a car. Is that good? Is that bad?

Also note that LLMs are now much more than just "one ML model to predict the next character" - LLMs are now large systems with many iterations, many calls to other systems, databases, etc.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by pluc »

I can't wait until we reach the point of AI adoption where genuine content is suspicious.

Wanna submit a proof in a criminal case? Better be ready to debunk whether this was made with AI.

AI is going to fuck everything up for absolutely no reason other than profit and greed and I can't fucking wait

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by Sharlin »

dilap wrote: post #60

I read about 4 paragraphs of the blog post, it does not at all read like it was written by ChatGPT! Some people are perhaps overly focussed on superficial things like em-dashes. The real tells for ChatGPT writing are more subtle -- a tendency towards hyperboly (it's not A, it's [florid restatment of essentially A] B!), a certain kind of rhythym, and frequently a kind of hard to describe "emptiness" of claims. (LLMs c…

It does not, but to many, many people who cannot tell the difference it does. Simply because it's well-written somewhat-formal-register English and not "internet speech" or similar casual register. As you probably know, there are many these days who take the mere use of em or en dashes as a reliable sign of LLM writing.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by lynx97 »

PeterStuer wrote: post #33
lynx97 wrote: post #8

Systemic discrimination, happens all the time. I am blind. I regularily fail the "tell computers and humans apart" test. You imagine, that feels very much like the dehumanisation it is. Big tech couldn't care less. After all, they need to protect themselves against spammers. Much like the guy who was on the HN frontpage just a few days ago, arguing that he is now trashing accessibility because he doesn't want to be w…

I agree anti-bot vigilantes as well as corporate anti-ddos middle-wares have had a detrimental impact on accessibility. I'm afraid they consider your use case as acceptable collateral damage if they consider it at all.

I know... Its depressing.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by p410n3 »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #53
p410n3 wrote: post #7

I always thought the whole argument was about explicitly using em dash and / or en dash. Aka — and –. Because while people OBVIOUSLY use dashes in writing, humans usually fell back on using the (technically incorrect) hyphen aka the "minus symbol" - because thats whats available on the keyboards and basically no one will care. Seems like, in the biggest game of telephone called the internet, this has devolved into "u…

> and basically no one will care Wow, you really do under/over estimate some of us :)

Fair. I was probably just projecting. I cant even figure out when to use a comma in my native language. So caring about which type of hyphen was used feels like overly sophisticated to me - because I dont care myself.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by nottorp »

lynx97 wrote: post #56
nottorp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> arguing that he is now trashing accessibility because he doesn't want to be web scraped Interesting, because he failed me too just because I use Firefox. Have you been told about the article or it actually worked with your screen reader software?

I have to admit I only read the heading. I didn't want to read the article, that would have ruined my day.

He messed with the glyph indexes in a customized font so the text is gibberish if you look just at the code points but displays as english.

That would probably mess up any screen reader, but it also didn't work on a regular Firefox :)

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by [deleted] »

dilap wrote: post #60

I read about 4 paragraphs of the blog post, it does not at all read like it was written by ChatGPT! Some people are perhaps overly focussed on superficial things like em-dashes. The real tells for ChatGPT writing are more subtle -- a tendency towards hyperboly (it's not A, it's [florid restatment of essentially A] B!), a certain kind of rhythym, and frequently a kind of hard to describe "emptiness" of claims. (LLMs c…

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