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Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

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Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

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Its worse for some other "ai" related companies. Coreweave for instance, now has its CDS trade around 600bp, which is a 1/3 rise in 2 months, which implies that the probability of a default in 5 years is 40% at a 40 cent recovery rate. That makes Coreweave's credit rating the equivalent of CCC-, which aint good.

Fascinating. I don't follow nor really understand this space. Is this type of fluctuation unusual?

Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

#143

Oracle stock down 25% for the past month, but still up 35% for the year and 300% for 5 years.

Are they building something useful or did Larry just snag a bunch of GPUs, flip the gpu time for good money, and extrapolate mega exponential growth in his guidance?

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Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

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Unfair. Oracle excels at some things, like extortion, blackmailing and litigation.

Just think about what they could accomplish if they had more engineers than lawyers.

The dark engineers would do more dark engineering.

Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

#145

Oracle stock down 25% for the past month, but still up 35% for the year and 300% for 5 years.

Are they building something useful or did Larry just snag a bunch of GPUs, flip the gpu time for good money, and extrapolate mega exponential growth in his guidance?

TL;DR NVIDIA didn't want to have customers be overly concentrated in the 3 already established cloud providers (GCP/Azure/AWS), so reserved kit for others. Oracle won out for essentially being a distant fourth (if even that? Their accountants make Oracle cloud look much larger than it is).

Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

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Unfair. Oracle excels at some things, like extortion, blackmailing and litigation.

Just think about what they could accomplish if they had more engineers than lawyers.

They probably did for a hot minute when they acquired Sun.

Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

#147
It just seems so obvious that all of these companies are going to unwind and yet I don't know how to avoid being damaged by this in my retirement funds in the S&P 500.

Hopefully all of this happens before Open AI can be flogged to the public in an IPO large enough to get into the S&P 500 -- in which OpenAI then goes to zero

Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

#148

I still believe in AI and I believe many of these companies are going to be staples of this new era. That said, I hope Oracle doesn't survive this transition. We need higher moral companies to usher in the AI era.

Companies with high morality, do those even exist? Which one of the big tech companies do you expect to work towards benefiting humanity instead of focusing on turning a profit by any means?

Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

#149

I still believe in AI and I believe many of these companies are going to be staples of this new era. That said, I hope Oracle doesn't survive this transition. We need higher moral companies to usher in the AI era.

Companies with high morality, do those even exist? Which one of the big tech companies do you expect to work towards benefiting humanity instead of focusing on turning a profit by any means?

Definitely true, but Oracle is the worst, has been for decades.

Re: Oracle hit hard in Wall Street's tech sell-off over its AI bet

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If you were an actual "greybeard" your references would be Pets.com and Worldcom. Those didn't end the same way as Uber/Tesla.

to be fair, Worldcom ended in an accounting scandal. I had a friend who worked at UUNET and would sneak me into the megahub in Richardson TX at night to download movies and other large, for the time, files (first time i ever saw an OC148 in real life). UUNET was bought by Worldcom and then after the implosion my friend showed me these gigantic cube farms in the office that were completely empty of people. It was very…

Right, and Pets.com isn't OpenAI. It's frustrated trolling dressed up in "greybeard" clothes.
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